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Re:Cities and Ambition by edw519 on Tuesday May 27, 2008 @07:07PM (#201528)
"your best best is probably to try living in several places when you're young"

I have, and here's what they've said to me:

Pittsburgh: You should be nice.

New Jersey: You should be in New York.

Los Angeles: You should go outside.

Phoenix: You should go inside.

Detroit: You should be glad you have a good job.

Tampa: You should buy a new pair of flip flops for dinner Saturday night.

Re:Cities and Ambition by jimbokun on Tuesday May 27, 2008 @10:00PM (#201683)
"Pittsburgh: You should be nice."

Being a native Western Pennsylvania, and living more of my adult life in Pittsburgh than anywhere else, I'll take that as a compliment :).

I moved to NYC with my wife right after we were married, and loved every minute of it. But decided to return here to raise our kids after they were born.

An interesting thing about Pittsburgh is the number of large non-profits of every kind, especially considering the reduced population. The major industrial titans that made their fortunes here in decades past (Carnegie, Mellon, Heinz, etc.) have left behind many cultural institutions like libraries, museums, universities, parks, hospitals, etc. that are still well funded and high quality.

You'll find some of that in NYC (even from some of the same benefactors) but Pittsburgh I think has a higher cultural dollars/resident ratio. This is a wonderful thing in terms of raising children. My kids think hanging out at the zoo, library, conservatory, kids' museum, etc. is a perfectly common thing to do. I think in NYC (and other cities?) you could find many of the same things, but it would not be possible to enjoy them in a leisurely manner, or afford family yearly membership passes.

Re:Cities and Ambition by Parenthetical on Wednesday May 28, 2008 @04:00PM (#202543)
I lived in Pgh. for 6 years (7th-12th grade), and my family still lives there. That's a very good point about the cultural institutions -- though in my experience, they're woefully underattended. It's possible to hang out at the zoo, conservatory, science museum, etc. ...but my family was thought to be a bit odd for actually doing so. (Of course, we lived in the wealthy suburban soccer mom part, not the university-intellectual part, so that's probably why. Neighborhoods have messages, too.)
Re:Cities and Ambition by jimbokun on Wednesday May 28, 2008 @04:23PM (#202575)
Heh, that's the advantage of our boys still being young (4 and 6 now, 2 and 4 when we first moved here). They don't know any better than to think those activities are perfectly normal. We have successfully brainwashed them so far, and by the time they hit teenage peer pressure, it might be too late to undo the "damage" of a cultured mind :).

The "under attended" part isn't all bad. Our boys can run around a little bit in Phipps Conservatory, for example, without many negative glances.

We do live in a city neighborhood, so that might account for some of the difference.

Re:Cities and Ambition by rms on Thursday May 29, 2008 @12:22AM (#202971)
And our biggest employer and company is a non-profit! The hulking University of Pittsburgh Medical Center.
Re:Cities and Ambition by edw519 on Wednesday May 28, 2008 @01:17AM (#201796)
I've met nice people everywhere I've lived. Somehow, and I'm not sure why, it seems just a little bit easier to meet nice people in Pittsburgh. Whether it's the checkout line in a supermarket, in a restaurant or bar, or just hanging out, people generally seem friendly and engaging.

(The day after a Steeler's loss, of course, all bets are off.)

Re:Cities and Ambition by dimitry on Wednesday May 28, 2008 @02:13AM (#201832)
Agreed. After ~9 years in Pittsburgh, I can definitely confirm the 'nice' factor ;)

Perhaps it's even more noticeable because I live in SF now, especially in the Marina filled with mostly pretentious folks.

Re:Cities and Ambition by hugh on Tuesday May 27, 2008 @07:09PM (#201534)
Places I've lived:

Sydney: You should spend more money on real estate.

Melbourne: You should spend more money on clothes.

London: You should have been here 150 years ago.

Davis, CA: You should leave Davis, CA.

Re:Cities and Ambition by menloparkbum on Tuesday May 27, 2008 @09:46PM (#201669)
my list:

brooklyn: you should be hipper

cambridge: you should be smarter

berkeley: you should only eat organically grown vegetables

tokyo: you should be japanese

san francisco: you should become as crazy as most everyone else, but not quite as crazy as the homeless people

Re:Cities and Ambition by shiro on Tuesday May 27, 2008 @08:29PM (#201598)
Tokyo, Japan: Doing nothing, even for a minute, is a sin.
Re:Cities and Ambition by fogus on Friday May 30, 2008 @03:52PM (#204800)
Having spent some time in Tokyo, I must say that the most striking thing for me was that at any moment of the day, the streets are flooded with people going too and fro. It was amazing. -m
Re:Cities and Ambition by janm on Wednesday May 28, 2008 @10:06AM (#202080)
Sydney is real estate, through and through.

London: "You should have been here 150 years ago" is essentially "you should be more aristocratic". I think that signal is strong in London. I have been at dinner with friends who started arguing about how far they had to commute on the tube (as a proxy for social class.) The English pretend to the world that it doesn't matter but it seems to matter deeply to them. This seems to be an English hidden rule; that is how the discussion started.

Re:Cities and Ambition by motoko on Tuesday May 27, 2008 @09:45PM (#201667)
Places I've lived:

Mountain View, CA: We're not the Barrio (any more).

Toledo, OH: We're close to Detroit.

Bowling Green, OH: Attend a real university with your real high school friends!

Columbus, OH: Love Ohio State football (and basketball, if the season's wrong).

Re:Cities and Ambition by imp on Wednesday May 28, 2008 @01:05AM (#201790)
Cleveland, OH: You gotta be tough.
Re:Cities and Ambition by motoko on Wednesday May 28, 2008 @03:52AM (#201880)
My sister, who drives a car worth about $100, had her car window smashed picked clean of her collection of burned CDs in downtown Cleveland.
Re:Cities and Ambition by tomh on Wednesday May 28, 2008 @04:03PM (#202552)
Moscow: You should be rich, or Russian. Preferably both.
Re:Cities and Ambition by thepeople on Thursday May 29, 2008 @05:17AM (#203148)
Wrong. If we were to choose one message for Moscow it should be: "you must be powerfull."

If you are merely rich, your money can be easily taken from you by more powerful person in Moscow.

And if you didn't know, Russian is a second class citizen in Russia.

All in all, one message per city is insufficient. It all depends on the people around you.

Re:Cities and Ambition by jsteele on Wednesday August 06, 2008 @08:22AM (#268396)
You hit the nail on the head: This whole essay is based on a false premise (which nonetheless is strongly believed by PG). Cambridge only seems to be a "smart" town if your social group consists of people associated with MIT, and you're only likely to end up in that social group if you were part of the middle class when you moved there.
Re:Cities and Ambition by helveticaman on Friday June 06, 2008 @12:58PM (#210953)
Why exactly is Moscow expensive? I've never figured this out. Is there a shortage of land, or is it really, really inaccessible from land, or what?
Re:Cities and Ambition by bootload on Wednesday May 28, 2008 @12:31AM (#201775)
"... Melbourne: You should spend more money on clothes ..."

No it's more like...

Melbourne: You live in the sports capital of a sports crazed country. You should go to the footy, the cricket, tennis and don't forget some new duds on cup day.

Re:Cities and Ambition by astrec on Thursday May 29, 2008 @02:27AM (#203063)
You forgot to mention the obligatory beers at each event.
Re:Cities and Ambition by netcan on Wednesday May 28, 2008 @08:29PM (#202786)
Tel Aviv: You should be moving faster. A lot faster. Dublin: Be wittier then smart. Melbourne: I agree. Its a confused message that definitely has to do with sports not clothes.