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Re:The ice bucket challenge dramatically accelerated the fig... by melling on Monday June 10, 2019 @03:16PM (#20149823)
Hundreds of millions of dollars for research...

The US alone is a $20 trillion economy.

Harvard has a hedge fund of almost $40 billion, Yale is about $30 billion, ...

We spend $18 billion on bottled water yearly.

There’s a lot of money in the US economy that we just need to figure out how to get into basic research.

Give up bottled water and donate the money to medical research for a few years?

Re:The ice bucket challenge dramatically accelerated the fig... by _ah on Monday June 10, 2019 @03:39PM (#20150033)
This very common trope always annoys me. "There is so much money flowing through the economy, and I just need to get a little bit for {insert cause}".

No.

Money does not flow like water through pipes, and you cannot just siphon some off without affecting the whole. Dollars are packets... each one is addressed to a particular destination, and sent to accomplish a specific purpose. If we want money for {cause}, we must choose to address dollars to that cause to the exclusion of other purposes.

/rant

(I know that melling specifically mentioned giving up bottled water, but there has to be a compelling reason to do so that EVERY dollar/packet sender agrees on.)

Re:The ice bucket challenge dramatically accelerated the fig... by jshowa3 on Monday June 10, 2019 @04:00PM (#20150206)
This is basically anti-tax rhetoric. I don't think there's a single thing in the world that everyone would willfully agree to spend their money on. Which is kind of why taxes exist in the first place.
Re:The ice bucket challenge dramatically accelerated the fig... by Shivetya on Monday June 10, 2019 @05:15PM (#20150932)
Before asking for more of the money spend freely you should stop and ask your elected officials to not spend the money so recklessly.

millions, if not billions, are wasted every day by politicians propping up their political power yet by some miracle if we just took more money they could spend it more wisely.

if is the near impunity and preponderance of so many taxes that has led us into a situation with untold wealth in government hands and near financial accountability for a good portion of it.

Many love to lambast Federal spending but you would be aghast at how much of county, city, and state, funding is now going to pay. California, thirty thousand plus retirees pulling down 100k, nineteen thousand in Illinois. All justified because they were paid a lot working for the government. Twenty billion per year in retirement just from CalPers, twelve billion in Illinois. That is pension numbers, not active employees, which far outnumber them!

anti-tax rhetoric exist because politicians use the public money to grant largess to insured voting bases, the very people working in their jurisdictions and trying to FUD you in going along with it.

Re:The ice bucket challenge dramatically accelerated the fig... by tdeck on Tuesday June 11, 2019 @04:00AM (#20153669)
"Of course, if only we'd thought of that! All that waste we waste, we could just stop wasting it!"

https://youtu.be/Zoz5EuIF_y8

Re:The ice bucket challenge dramatically accelerated the fig... by asveikau on Monday June 10, 2019 @04:30PM (#20150498)
I have always thought it was weird when people get possessive about their tax money. As in, that's my money you're spending!

It isn't yours, because however mandatory it was you paid it to them, and when you give it it ceases to be yours. At any rate even the richest among us are making comparatively miniscule contributions in the scheme of things.

There are plenty of things the government does that I like, and I would sure like to pay for those ahead of say, funding for wars I don't like or finding new and indirect ways of killing people (by this I mean military spending), but I pay my taxes with the understanding that this is all part of the deal.

Re:The ice bucket challenge dramatically accelerated the fig... by enraged_camel on Monday June 10, 2019 @04:36PM (#20150562)
>>It isn't yours, because however mandatory it was you paid it to them, and when you give it it ceases to be yours.

It's more than that.

Tax money was never yours to begin with. You owed it to the government by default. The government just allowed it to touch your bank account temporarily before collecting it.

Re:The ice bucket challenge dramatically accelerated the fig... by vonzeppelin on Monday June 10, 2019 @04:42PM (#20150603)
No. If you live in a democracy then the tax money is yours. You are the government. You have every right to complain about what they are doing with your money.
Re:The ice bucket challenge dramatically accelerated the fig... by JamesBarney on Monday June 10, 2019 @04:48PM (#20150673)
I don't think anyone is arguing you don't have the right to complain about where tax dollars go. They're arguing against the idea that taxation is theft, and the government doesn't have the right to collect it.
Re:The ice bucket challenge dramatically accelerated the fig... by patrickthebold on Monday June 10, 2019 @04:50PM (#20150700)
Isn't 'they' 'you' then?
Re:The ice bucket challenge dramatically accelerated the fig... by asveikau on Monday June 10, 2019 @04:47PM (#20150666)
And this complaint is called an "election". Seems to me like getting super possessive about what the elected people do without a proposed solution (elect somebody else, run for office, etc.) is nonproductive and fails to grasp some essential point about the whole thing.
Re:The ice bucket challenge dramatically accelerated the fig... by iamnothere on Monday June 10, 2019 @07:41PM (#20151939)
Seems to me like complaining about some types of spending would be a good way to garner support and win an election, if enough people agree with you. But maybe that's just me.
Re:The ice bucket challenge dramatically accelerated the fig... by mainliningfbs on Monday June 10, 2019 @06:06PM (#20151361)
What about the Great Recession happening because of the lack of credit availability?
Re:The ice bucket challenge dramatically accelerated the fig... by melling on Monday June 10, 2019 @04:23PM (#20150449)
Is that a lecture about opportunity cost?

Consumers can vote with their dollars. I’m not sure why you don’t think we can’t channel money in various ways. A lot of money has gone into AID’s research, for example, and a lot of progress has been made.

Re:The ice bucket challenge dramatically accelerated the fig... by godzillabrennus on Monday June 10, 2019 @03:18PM (#20149842)
Spending money on research is one thing. Making it count is another.

We spend enormous amounts of tax payer money on research that isn't reproducible.

Lots of research isn't published.

Research that is published is often produced in paid journals that restrict access.

We need to upend the research industry. We need more of a sci-hub approach to research and less of an elsevier approach.

Re:The ice bucket challenge dramatically accelerated the fig... by krick on Monday June 10, 2019 @08:00PM (#20152035)
Exactly. It's naïve to think money is the problem. It's not like you can pile up a $1B in cache, make a huge bonfire out of it and cure some deadly disease for all humanity forever just like that. If it was, I'm pretty sure you could find a million people on the planet to donate a $1000 on average for that cause.

But in reality, you are unlikely to get a $1000 from me even for the cause I find extremely important. For all I know, my money is going to end up in the pocket of some medical research center director, who is basically a politician and a fraud, with an income far surpassing mine to start with. And the new car he buys will provide zero help to solve the problem.

Basically, I believe much more that government will spend my tax money wisely (which I don't believe, obviously), than I believe academia is able to somewhat efficiently convert money into solutions. And it doesn't matter if I'm right or wrong, it only matters that I'm not the only one like that, and it isn't even a human problem as much as the nature of how things are: and that exaplains, why the whole "there's so much resources(/money) in the world, why cannot we..." argument is silly.

Re:The ice bucket challenge dramatically accelerated the fig... by DoofusOfDeath on Monday June 10, 2019 @03:45PM (#20150080)
I suspect your points are spot-on, but I wish we had concrete numbers associated with your bullet-list. Otherwise I'm not sure if I have things in proper perspective.
Re:The ice bucket challenge dramatically accelerated the fig... by melling on Monday June 10, 2019 @05:01PM (#20150811)
Sure. That’s a separate problem. If we spend $1 and only get 50 cents worth of research, we should try to spend the money more effectively.

Then if we double the research spending and double the effectiveness, we’ll get 4x the research.

Re:The ice bucket challenge dramatically accelerated the fig... by nordsieck on Monday June 10, 2019 @03:43PM (#20150063)
> There’s a lot of money in the US economy that we just need to figure out how to get into basic research.

> Give up bottled water and donate the money to medical research for a few years?

This is a false "we". There is no coherent group with similar goals you're talking about; just a mass of humans who care more about drinking bottled water than medical research.

Re:The ice bucket challenge dramatically accelerated the fig... by autokad on Monday June 10, 2019 @04:51PM (#20150717)
> "just a mass of humans who care more about drinking bottled water than medical research."

just because I drink coke doesnt mean I care more about drinking coke than spending money on NASA.

Re:The ice bucket challenge dramatically accelerated the fig... by nordsieck on Monday June 10, 2019 @05:31PM (#20151075)
>> "just a mass of humans who care more about drinking bottled water than medical research."

> just because I drink coke doesnt mean I care more about drinking coke than spending money on NASA.

In your specific example, you can't easily give money directly to NASA, so it's a bit murky.

Just because you drink coke does mean you care more about drinking coke than spending money on animal shelters, the red cross or cancer research.

I, personally wouldn't feel bad about it; everyone, excepting a few weirdos, is like this.

"Action is distilled intent"

Re:The ice bucket challenge dramatically accelerated the fig... by anthony_doan on Monday June 10, 2019 @03:24PM (#20149892)
I get the statistics but I think many people often over look good marketing.

The reality is that you need a good marketing team like Breast cancer and such to get funding. Even my alma mater have a dedicated group reaching out for donation from graduates. You have to sell your cause and appeal to it so that potential donator can relate; basically target the emotion not the logical side of people for donation.

At least this is what I think is needed.