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Re:The charm of buying old workstation hardware on the cheap by jhayward on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @04:29PM (#20108794)
> You would definitely not expect that a machine selling for $1000 would have used more than $1000 of energy in its manufacture.

This is a misconception. Energy is not a transportable, fungible quantity the way dollars are. It is entirely possible that the device one buys for $1000 would require more that $1000 of energy to make, if manufactured in a modern economy with high environmental standards.

The major forces in the global economy over the last 3 decades have been this imbalance in labor, energy, and environmental compliance costs. The $1000 retail price in the US does not contain the largely externalized costs that its place of manufacture may have permitted.

Re:The charm of buying old workstation hardware on the cheap by sitkack on Thursday June 06, 2019 @10:38AM (#20114952)
Buying items in highly competitive industries from far away places is the most efficient way to turn western dollars into pollution.

What the parent didn't enumerate is that the energy cost has to be calculated as the point of use. You can do this for say solar panels made in China. If you assume that 100% of the purchase price is translated into energy costs, zero physical resources used, etc. That 100% of what you pay, went into energy, used by the nastiest sources you can get an upper bound on energy costs to create an item are. In China, $/KwH is 2.5-5 cents US. Probably lower if you are in some direct use of coal scenario. Using the lower bound, say a $100 solar panel made in China consumes energy costing 2.5C/KwH. It could have used at most 4MWH of electricity.

Re:The charm of buying old workstation hardware on the cheap by wwweston on Thursday June 06, 2019 @01:38PM (#20116932)
> Energy is not a transportable, fungible quantity the way dollars are.

You mean energy and dollars aren't both transmitted up/down wires or moved around with mass that represents stored potential?

> It is entirely possible that the device one buys for $1000 would require more that $1000 of energy to make

This.... doesn't sound like a business model that will last long. Can you give a concrete example?

Re:The charm of buying old workstation hardware on the cheap by jhayward on Thursday June 06, 2019 @07:38PM (#20120277)
Electrical power does not cross oceans. Dollars do. A factory in China running on a local coal plant's energy does not pay the same cost that a factory in Texas would pay.