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Re:YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views by toomuchtodo on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @12:35PM (#20106142)
"Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

A free society has costs, including tolerating speech you find deplorable. To support censorship because it aligns with your current political leanings makes you no different than the politics you take issue with.

Will you complain if Google mass fires left leaning employees? It's entirely within their right to do. You could even start a competitor to hire those people!

Re:YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views by empath75 on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @12:38PM (#20106194)
This isn’t censorship full stop. What you are advocating for is forcing YouTube to carry content that it doesn’t want to.

I also think it’s grotesque to quote an anti nazi poem in defense of nazis.

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Re:YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views by v7p1Qbt1im on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @01:06PM (#20106572)
Tolerance of intolerance may lead to the loss of tolerance. The NSDAP propaganda machine, for example specifically targeted this line of thinking.
Re:YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views by toomuchtodo on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @02:10PM (#20107401)
That's an argument for active participation in the political process and an engaged electorate, not censorship. To default to the support of censorship of what you disagree with is simply laziness (and antithetical to the fundamental principals of a democratic society). If your government and society can't withstand the free expression and discussion of unpleasant ideas, you have problems with the current implementation of government and society (and the unpleasantness isn't at fault). Masking the symptom doesn't solve the root cause.

To your example, you put misplaced blame on a propaganda machine, not uneducated, unengaged, emotional citizen voters.

Re:YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views by anoncake on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @05:06PM (#20109141)
I prefer a democratic society that suppresses its enemies while trying to solve the root cause to one that gets destroyed and definitely won't solve the root cause.
Re:YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views by toomuchtodo on Tuesday June 11, 2019 @08:07PM (#20160658)
Can’t suppress enemies in a democratic society without violating the very rights enumerated and protected by said society. The populace itself must inoculate itself against such malicious actors with activism, intelligent discourse, critical thinking, and political engagement.
Re:YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views by fzeroracer on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @12:59PM (#20106466)
Okay, we've established you fully support the right to freedom of speech without compromise.

As a question, do you own any property? If someone planted signs in your lawn or decided to yell at you on your property, would you accept this? Any compromise would be a violation of their right to freedom of speech and you would be censoring them. Would you let them into your home lest you censor them?

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Re:YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views by anoncake on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @12:51PM (#20106373)
Lefty here. Most of us understand the difference between a nazi and a fool.
Re:YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views by stcredzero on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @01:08PM (#20106597)
Then how is Tim Pool labeled Alt Right? How is Ben Shapiro labeled Alt Right?

I'll be satisfied that the Left doesn't want to use corporate power and force to silence people, when the Left starts calling out the left for doing it.

Re:YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views by anigbrowl on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @12:52PM (#20106385)
Nazis don't support the free speech of other people, or even their freedom to exist in many cases. 'No smoking' signs in gas stations sorta restrict freedom too, don't they?
Re:YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views by okket on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @12:39PM (#20106212)
It's totally ok to not tolerate the extreme intolerant in some places [1]. Again, no laws change, it is just a company telling to very extreme people: Not here. Please go outside.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance#Tolerance...

Re:YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views by warp_factor on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @12:42PM (#20106257)
The issue here is that Youtube is already known to ban people that clearly didn't show any extreme views. This was used as an easy pretext for the ban though.
Re:YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views by anigbrowl on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @12:39PM (#20106213)
I don't have to tolerate speech from people who threaten my life or community. And I don't mean 'threaten' in the sense of holding an opinion I find disagreeable, I mean threaten as in making straightforward threats to life. That speech does not have to be tolerated.
Re:YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views by stcredzero on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @12:55PM (#20106413)
I don't have to tolerate speech from people who threaten my life or community. And I don't mean 'threaten' in the sense of holding an opinion I find disagreeable

Then you should understand that when "threatening speech" is used to censor people on false pretexts, then this dilutes reasonable concerns about threatening speech. If one is really concerned about truly threatening speech, one should be actively calling out such abuses from one's own side. Also, what naturally goes with that, is the calling out of actual violence from one's own side.

This is also why civility is useful for the public discourse. It acts as a sort of "DMZ" wherein actual hostility is more readily visible. (And certain people on all sides of the public discourse should be called out in this regard.)

Re:YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views by anigbrowl on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @12:59PM (#20106468)
when the pretext of "threatening speech" is used to censor people on false pretexts

Sounds circular but you do you.

Re:YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views by stcredzero on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @01:10PM (#20106618)
False pretexts are a subset of pretexts. It's only circular if you are not precise with the logic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bijection,_injection_and_surje...

Re:YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views by anigbrowl on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @01:18PM (#20106734)
Perhaps you should have written your initial interjection with the same precision you now seek to apply. Since it was written in English, I invite you to reflect on how it might be received by the unwary reader.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

Re:YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views by stcredzero on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @01:51PM (#20107159)
Your logic falls apart, if the initial set != the 2nd set.
Re:YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views by anigbrowl on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @02:16PM (#20107480)
It's not my fault you wrote your message out the way you did, although you have subsequently edited it. You are worried about some future pretextual censorship whose existence you presume, I am worried about actually existing threats made in the recent past and present.

Or to put it in very simplistic terms so that there is no misunderstanding, I am more worried about people who want to promote or engage in genocidal behavior than I am about missing out on possible future contributions to society from genocide enthusiasts who had difficulty reaching a sufficiently wide audience.

Re:YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views by ModernMech on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @12:40PM (#20106219)
It's a pretty big stretch between a company taking down content on their own service that violates their terms, and the holocaust. Have a little perspective please.
Re:YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views by iamalexm on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @12:40PM (#20106222)
Sure - but you are missing the point. Youtube can publish videos they want to and are not owned by the government.

It's funny how right-wing people, who argue so hard for capitalism, fundamentally don't understand capitalism.

Re:YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views by stcredzero on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @01:12PM (#20106650)
Youtube can publish videos they want to and are not owned by the government.

No. It's funny how people refuse to acknowledge the fact that Free Speech in the Public Square is held as more important than property rights.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_v._Alabama