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Re:Use zsh as the default shell on your Mac by oneplane on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @03:40AM (#20092788)
Everyone has heard of Visual Studio, and nobody that has to use it wants to. Just because you have Stockholm syndrome doesn't mean everyone else has to have it too ;-)
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Re:Use zsh as the default shell on your Mac by GuB-42 on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @07:17AM (#20093852)
It has been a long time since I used Visual Studio but I remember it as the best IDE I have ever used for C++.

I am now working on Linux with Sublime Text, Makefiles and the command line. I am most comfortable with that setup but there are many features that I miss from VS: the debugger, online help, code navigation, ...

Not that these features don't exist in other editors and IDEs, but with VS, they worked reliably and out of the box.

Note: VSCode is completely different. It is a multi-platform text editor, one of the best in town. A bit lacking in the performance department though, that's why I am still using Sublime Text.

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Re:Use zsh as the default shell on your Mac by GlennS on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @05:10AM (#20093276)
I'm really suprised at this comment.

I'm confident most of the .NET community is very happy with Visual Studio.

In my opinion, Visual Studio massively outclasses Eclipse, VSCode and Netbeans. It even makes IntelliJ (which is pretty great too) look a bit inadequate.

(I use Emacs these days though.)

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Re:Use zsh as the default shell on your Mac by ernst_klim on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @06:43AM (#20093691)
>from a development standpoint

>I'm confident most of the .NET community is very happy with Visual Studio

.NET is not the only ecosystem people develop for. There are embedded C/Forth, web frontend/backend, written in Java, Scala, Ruby, Python, other stuff. VS sucks for nearly everything safe C#/C++ for windows.

Besides, even for C# people use an additional plugin, resharper, so VS is not enough even for its target ecosystem.

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Re:Use zsh as the default shell on your Mac by pjmlp on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @07:49AM (#20094047)
> Besides, even for C# people use an additional plugin, resharper, so VS is not enough even for its target ecosystem.

Those that have CPU cycles and memory to spare do.

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Re:Use zsh as the default shell on your Mac by patates on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @05:27AM (#20102698)
ReSharper is a meme in the .NET world, similar to how Crysis in the gaming world is: https://i.imgur.com/LQkRlSN.png

I have a laptop with 64GB of memory just because I need to run VS + ReSharper in a VM. Seriously.

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Re:Use zsh as the default shell on your Mac by oneplane on Thursday June 06, 2019 @11:16AM (#20115335)
It's why I put in: unless you have to use it, which means: if you target Windows. If you target anything else, you're probably not using it unless you already happen to have it. I agree that most IDEs are crap, it's pretty strange when you think about it, software developers developing software to develop software, but developing it badly so it now sucks for everyone.
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Re:Use zsh as the default shell on your Mac by 72deluxe on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @03:52AM (#20092864)
Must be a different development sphere to me. I have to use xcode for dev on the Mac and it is feeble compared to VS. I can't think of a better IDE to be honest (C++, C# for me).

Whenever I have to use other offerings like Eclipse, Netbeans or Android Studio for other languages I am never very satisfied with them. Android Studio in particular breaks gradle and projects between updates, although Flutter seems to work.

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Re:Use zsh as the default shell on your Mac by jannes on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @04:08AM (#20092954)
VS is pretty nice if you run it without plugins that slow it down (like ReSharper)
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