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Re:The prison inside: Japan's hikikomori lack relationships,... by ThePadawan on Monday June 03, 2019 @09:08AM (#20082688)
I find it very disappointing that the definition of "incel" has now strayed incredibly from the actual literal abbreviation of "involuntary celibate", a rather clinical and descriptive term.

In my eyes, it now encompasses anti-feminist politics and overlaps a lot with "redpills". What happened?

Re:The prison inside: Japan's hikikomori lack relationships,... by falcolas on Monday June 03, 2019 @09:20AM (#20082791)
Some people started looking for a cause of their “involuntary celibacy”, and chose the easy route - it can’t be me, so it must be you. Once the blame has been assigned in such a way, hatred is one easy step further.
Re:The prison inside: Japan's hikikomori lack relationships,... by gubbrora on Monday June 03, 2019 @11:40AM (#20084364)
What do you want them to do? Better themselves - Are they not already trying? Accept they were born unattractive - then what, suicide?
Re:The prison inside: Japan's hikikomori lack relationships,... by mrguyorama on Monday June 03, 2019 @12:48PM (#20085282)
They could lower their standards and settle, as people have always done. It doesn't feel great but companionship can be found in people who are not "classically attractive", as much as it stings to not be an optimum mate
Re:The prison inside: Japan's hikikomori lack relationships,... by gubbrora on Monday June 03, 2019 @02:02PM (#20086131)
One of the big incel complaints is that the least attractive women don't want the least attractive men. If that is indeed true there is none for them to settle for.
Re:The prison inside: Japan's hikikomori lack relationships,... by krageon on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @05:12AM (#20093287)
Take a step outside into a busy shopping street. I think you will find you see a lot of couples, varying from average both towards attractive and unattractive. Maybe they are attractive to each other, I can't say. People are into wildly different things. The point is that it's not exactly difficult to find evidence of this complaint not being true.

Rather than a legitimate complaint, it reads more as an excuse.

Re:The prison inside: Japan's hikikomori lack relationships,... by HNLurker2 on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @12:53AM (#20092003)
THEY claim is that monogamy (which is just 80/20 rule in a nutshell) says that the 20% of "superior males" get the 80%. And the rest are just competing but THEY claim that even if you're under 5 you are basically fucked
Re:The prison inside: Japan's hikikomori lack relationships,... by falcolas on Monday June 03, 2019 @02:29PM (#20086489)
> Are they not already trying?

If they're resorting to blaming and hating the opposite sex, then no, they are not trying to better themselves. You can't improve yourself if you're assigning the blame outside yourself.

> Accept they were born unattractive - then what

A lot of shitty cards are dealt in life. Being unattractive is just one of them. Yes, accept and move on.

Re:The prison inside: Japan's hikikomori lack relationships,... by krageon on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @05:09AM (#20093273)
Whether or not they are trying is immaterial. The form it takes is the problem here.

Accepting you were born in a way that doesn't conform to your ideal is I think natural for any person. I'd wager most of us aren't built to the spec of an idealised representation of ourselves. Part of growing up is accepting that this is the case. The step after that is getting on with your life - why would it be suicide?

Re:The prison inside: Japan's hikikomori lack relationships,... by hakka-nyu-su on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @11:40AM (#20096029)
In order to even start "bettering themselves", they would have to adopt a kind of growth mindset that involves rejecting ideas like that one is "born unattractive", and that being born unattractive merits suicide.

A side effect of that mindset is also increased attractiveness to both potential partners and other social contacts in general.

Re:The prison inside: Japan's hikikomori lack relationships,... by HNLurker2 on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @12:51AM (#20091991)
I recommend this video-essay: https://youtube.com/watch?v=fD2briZ6fB0

It's just a subculture don't take it too seriously

Re:The prison inside: Japan's hikikomori lack relationships,... by westmeal on Monday June 03, 2019 @10:43AM (#20083586)
This. It's extremely common to project the blame on others as some sort of defense mechanism.
Re:The prison inside: Japan's hikikomori lack relationships,... by berrynice on Monday June 03, 2019 @12:08PM (#20084739)
What happened was that the mainstream media learnt what 'incel' was.