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Re:The Boring Company will develop an underground “people mo... by HALtheWise on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @06:15PM (#20046186)
I see this point get made often, but I'm not sure it is an insightful way to look at the world. Tesla cars are only barely related to Mars colonization, and PayPal is not really at all, which is a product conveniently ignored in your post. Even the SpaceX internet satellite constellation looks almost nothing like what internet access on Mars will be anytime in the forseeable future. It seems like a similarly strong argument could be made that every Google product is designed for Mars colonization.

I bring this up because I think it is important that Elon has some projects targeted at making the world better today, like PayPal, the Boring Company, and Starlink, some projects designed to avoid catastrophes a few decades from now, like Tesla and Solar City, and some projects designed to help humanity centuries from now, like SpaceX going to Mars. This is a very nice way of resolving the objection that Elon should focus on Earth's problems, which is to observe that you can both make the world a better place today while also working towards a brighter long term future.

I think that to the extent that Elon will inevitably serve as a role model, I want that part of the story to be told as well.

Re:The Boring Company will develop an underground “people mo... by wurst_case on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @07:06PM (#20046655)
The reason PayPal is ignored by most people is two reasons. 1. In its current form, it has less resemblance to what he wanted to do with it (its a better product because of this fact) and 2. He famously found the biggest hurdles for humanity and their solutions after selling PayPal and becoming a multi millionaire with nothing but time to spend it. Originally he wanted to put a mini greenhouse on mars as a media stunt.
Re:The Boring Company will develop an underground “people mo... by serf on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @07:40PM (#20046868)
>The reason PayPal is ignored by most people is two reasons.

You forgot the most important one.

3) PayPal is a huge PR nightmare, a pseudo-bank that sits between legal boundaries whenever it needs to in order to maximize profit, screwing over thousands of folks -- many of them with small businesses that foolishly relied on them as a service. A successful service that everyone uses, and most people hate -- the customers are swept in by me-tooisms and forced participation.

If I were Musk, or I was a Musk evangelist , i'd stay far away from that 'accomplishment', as well.

He's not responsible for the entirety of the beast, but afaik he IS responsible for the viral aspects of their customer recruitment -- a method I feel is unethical from a monopolistic standpoint for a banking entity to participate in.

Re:The Boring Company will develop an underground “people mo... by Benjammer on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @08:25PM (#20047171)
There's kind of a reason they're called the PayPal Mafia...
Re:The Boring Company will develop an underground “people mo... by nickik on Thursday May 30, 2019 @02:37PM (#20054511)
PayPal is a nightmare but the reason is that banking and other innovation was so slow. Even if you don't like it, it still solved a massive problem in the internet, or at least made it more possible.

You can say PayPal is bad, but pretty much any company starting on that path run in many of the same issues.

Re:The Boring Company will develop an underground “people mo... by discordance on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @10:16PM (#20047765)
PayPal is the component that provided the initial funding for 1 - 5.
Re:The Boring Company will develop an underground “people mo... by L_226 on Thursday May 30, 2019 @02:47AM (#20048949)
I've said it before, but in the context of solar system colonisation the value behind Tesla is not the cars - it is the gigafactory. Developing a serious Human presence off-Earth necessarily requires highly automated heavy industry and manufacturing.
Re:The Boring Company will develop an underground “people mo... by bryanrasmussen on Thursday May 30, 2019 @12:16AM (#20048343)
I'm not sure that PayPal is targeted at making the world better today.

on edit: changed I'm not sure if to I'm not sure that

Re:The Boring Company will develop an underground “people mo... by alaskamiller on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @07:06PM (#20046654)
Elon is new Steve Jobs is the new Jesus.

Anyone can foist one's own unbridled ambitions, mixed in with a dash of lottery dreaming, tossed in with a bit of hubris, to come up with whatever the bright shiny future could be.

Re:The Boring Company will develop an underground “people mo... by gleenn on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @07:31PM (#20046823)
The difference might be they were also heads of million dollar companies. How many of those have you or I started?
Re:The Boring Company will develop an underground “people mo... by geofft on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @10:50PM (#20047943)
Minor note (mostly since a lot of people don't know this): Musk did not start Tesla. He led investment in their Series A, became chairman of the board, and became actively involved with the company's operations, which allowed him to gain the title of "co-founder," but he was not involved with the company before then.
Re:The Boring Company will develop an underground “people mo... by HNLurker2 on Thursday May 30, 2019 @02:01AM (#20048778)
AFAIK Tesla founders where adviced to go to Elon for venture capital because he may be interested in it.
Re:The Boring Company will develop an underground “people mo... by JetSpiegel on Thursday May 30, 2019 @04:43PM (#20055724)
Jesus's exit dwarfs Jobs and Musk combined.

The company is more resilient than Oracle, it was left for dead for centuries, but it's still around.

Re:The Boring Company will develop an underground “people mo... by alaskamiller on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @09:39PM (#20047574)
You wouldn't know.
Re:The Boring Company will develop an underground “people mo... by jodrellblank on Thursday May 30, 2019 @12:14AM (#20048324)
Re:The Boring Company will develop an underground “people mo... by rrix2 on Thursday May 30, 2019 @12:37AM (#20048440)
most folks aren't in peoples' posting history trying to prove a point
Re:The Boring Company will develop an underground “people mo... by jodrellblank on Thursday May 30, 2019 @10:45PM (#20057884)
Look in my posting history and you'll see plenty of whining about Google (and other tech company's) bulk collection of data. This should give you a feeling why - someone actually looking at a post history is considered intrusive and overstepping a mark.

Let alone if that wasn't freely posted in public, but instead gathered surreptitiously and correlated from many sources over much time.

Re:The Boring Company will develop an underground “people mo... by alaskamiller on Thursday May 30, 2019 @01:59AM (#20048772)
Most folks wouldn't, but some on Hacker News certainly can't lose.
Re:The Boring Company will develop an underground “people mo... by nickik on Thursday May 30, 2019 @02:39PM (#20054525)
He is not really like Jobs at all. Jobs created nice end user devices and that pretty much all he did. Other then some personal things people like to focus much of their process and goals are vastly different.