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Re:How I made sure all 12 of my kids could pay for college t... by quickthrower2 on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @01:56AM (#20027559)
I like the idea, but man that is some serious military parenting.
Re:How I made sure all 12 of my kids could pay for college t... by IceDane on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @02:03AM (#20027591)
I can't help but agree. There is obviously a need for organization if you have so many kids you're basically running a kindergarten, but it sounds like these kids grew up in a military school or something. The best thing my parents ever did for me was to give me freedom to grow up on my own.
Re:How I made sure all 12 of my kids could pay for college t... by jraph on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @02:30AM (#20027693)
Wow yeah. It seems that they did a good job of raising obeying children but the writer does not mention whether they taught their children to question their society and to rebel. Which I feel is utterly important.

Such a way to raise children does not seem to leave much room to flexibility and creativity. Children should learn to adapt in a moving and not completely defined environment anyway.

Also, are they able to cope with someone who sees things as (unspoken) agreements instead of (strict) rules?

And I feel if parents can pay for their children's studies, this is an opportunity to take. Life is easy when you can! At the beggining of your life it's difficult to get good money, so you struggle, but at the time your children goes to college, you may have a good income. So instead of paying your studies, you pay for your children's and they will do the same for theirs. Same amounts, a lot easier. Life is not meant to be hard (Granted it works best with fewer children). (Maybe it is not meant at all anyway but this is another question)

Anyway, it seems the children are doing well so if it works for them, great (we only have the point of view of the father - why "I" and not "we" in the title by the way?)

Re:How I made sure all 12 of my kids could pay for college t... by avinium on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @02:23AM (#20027661)
Is it fair to assume the author is a Mormon? From my limited understanding, large families are the norm for Mormons and I'm guessing there's a lot more structure in that kind of community.

By contrast, my father came from a much laxer 5 child family, and was the only one who went to university. I can't imagine how anyone would manage with 12.

Re:How I made sure all 12 of my kids could pay for college t... by xvector on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @03:06AM (#20027881)
The author does mention he is Mormon[1].

> My wife and I are religious and members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints [...]

> With no religious upbringing, [children] have no way to measure the goodness of other organizations, as they have no foundation.

> They participated in the religious activities: we were the parents, they did not have a choice.

[1]: https://qz.com/296701/how-to-keep-your-wealth-from-ruining-y...

Re:How I made sure all 12 of my kids could pay for college t... by shijie on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @02:30AM (#20027691)
Member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormon) here.

12 is a lot. Like a lot.

Re:How I made sure all 12 of my kids could pay for college t... by woodruffw on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @02:57AM (#20027826)
The author's other article[1] talks about their Mormonism and other subjects of faith.

[1]: https://qz.com/296701/how-to-keep-your-wealth-from-ruining-y...

Re:How I made sure all 12 of my kids could pay for college t... by mixmastamyk on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @02:25AM (#20027671)
It sounds like they got enough freedom, they just had to learn to take care of themselves as well. What does freedom mean to you?
Re:How I made sure all 12 of my kids could pay for college t... by xupybd on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @01:59AM (#20027573)
I don't know how else you could do it with that many kids.
Re:How I made sure all 12 of my kids could pay for college t... by reitanqild on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @02:23AM (#20027658)
As someone who grew up in a technically poor (meaning it didn't feel that way since they hid it well for us) with a comparable number of siblings (won't say exactly how many as to avoid fingerprinting), I know it can be done without military dicipline, because we had nothing of that.

How they did it is more of a mystery even if I saw it first hand. And today I feel I really struggle to let my children experience the fantastic childhood I had, even though I have less than half as many kids as my parents had - and a way better job.

Re:How I made sure all 12 of my kids could pay for college t... by xvector on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @02:26AM (#20027676)
Simple. You don’t have that many kids in the first place. Step 1 of “common-sense responsible parenting in a post hunter-gatherer society.”
Re:How I made sure all 12 of my kids could pay for college t... by rjf72 on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @03:01AM (#20027855)
This leads to a great paradox. I don't, on the surface, disagree with you. If everybody had 12 children the world would rapidly descend into chaos and dystopia. So it seems rather self evident that people should not have 12 children as a matter of, as you said, common sense. Yet the issue is that today there is a strong correlation between high religiosity, low education, low income and high fertility. This is worldwide and nation wide. For instance this [1] is a table of fertility by income in the US. People earning < $10k reproduce at a rate about 50% greater than those earning > $200k with a perfectly smooth transition between those two incomes. This is a source to also demonstrate the religiosity scaling, which is similarly smooth. [2]

Think about the lives of people growing up in those < $10k homes. Their parents are going to be disproportionately poorly educated and highly religious. And on the scale between completely irresponsible and completely responsible, where do you expect a person who chooses to have children when they have income of less than $10k to fall on average? And outside the home it's not going to be much better. They're likely to live disproportionately in high crime urban areas which tend to be viral. Dysgenic fertility also ties directly in to this all. The generation of tomorrow is determined in large part by the generation of today. What values will they be raised with? What will they think of education? What will be their views towards other people? Will their hereditary factors be favorable or unfavorable? These questions are largely answered by whom their parents are.

And so this leads to the great paradox. Those that would engage in 'responsible fertility' are the exact people that should be doing the exact opposite. If somebody has the willpower and social consideration to voluntarily cede the strongest urge available to a human, they need to pass their genes and views onto the next generation. Yet by engaging in responsible fertility, they are doing the exact opposite and effectively removing themselves from the gene pool or, at best, minimizing their effect upon it. If you look at any given baby we can view it as a lottery in determining who their parents are and consequently what life they will live. By engaging in 'responsibility fertility' we're all collectively rigging the game against these babies. Ultimately responsible fertility is paradoxically anything but.

[1] - https://www.statista.com/statistics/241530/birth-rate-by-fam...

[2] - https://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/income-di...

Re:How I made sure all 12 of my kids could pay for college t... by barry-cotter on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @02:55AM (#20027816)
Here are your chores. There are lots. Once you've done them and your schoolwork is good enough do whatever you want, by which I mean if I see you being idle I will find work for you so don’t let me see you being idle. That’s more or less how my parents were raised and they both care from big families. Military discipline it was not.