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Re:Half of US stock fund assets are now invested in index funds by naveen99 on Monday May 27, 2019 @08:12AM (#20021479)
anyone buy repeating insurance (put options) along with index funds / futures ?
Re:Half of US stock fund assets are now invested in index funds by whitepoplar on Monday May 27, 2019 @09:00AM (#20021797)
Tail hedging seems great in theory and I know that several professional investors do it (Universa, Nassim Taleb, etc), but I'm not sure how they make it work. S&P500 out-of-money puts are expensive and it just seems that years or decades of put losses leading up to the "big event" could run you dry.
Re:Half of US stock fund assets are now invested in index funds by naveen99 on Monday May 27, 2019 @01:12PM (#20023655)
Re:Half of US stock fund assets are now invested in index funds by naveen99 on Monday May 27, 2019 @09:35AM (#20022058)
sell at the money monthly straddles to finance the otm puts ?
Re:Half of US stock fund assets are now invested in index funds by mrigor on Monday May 27, 2019 @05:16PM (#20025310)
selling insurance to buy insurance defeats the point, ATM options only pay for expected moves so you have no protection gain with your strategy
Re:Half of US stock fund assets are now invested in index funds by naveen99 on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @03:18PM (#20033384)
The point is giving up some upside gain for downside protection. You are net selling insurance, with a slight bullish bias.
Re:Half of US stock fund assets are now invested in index funds by ackbar03 on Monday May 27, 2019 @08:14AM (#20021495)
For what purpose?
Re:Half of US stock fund assets are now invested in index funds by naveen99 on Monday May 27, 2019 @09:59AM (#20022247)
Downside protection for when market is near all time high and or trade war posturing going on...
Re:Half of US stock fund assets are now invested in index funds by ackbar03 on Monday May 27, 2019 @01:06PM (#20023597)
Knock yourself out, but as a sell side options trader I can tell you whitepoplar is right, payoffs not great if your doing it purely as a hedge. It makes more sense if you have a specific view on vols, in which case you don't really want to be buying them repeatedly, a few tenors at most, but really your prob better off just reducing your exposure. And selling otm to finance just makes things worse, it's something a bank would tell you to do to make more commissions from you
Re:Half of US stock fund assets are now invested in index funds by naveen99 on Monday May 27, 2019 @01:17PM (#20023698)
ATM finance otm, not the other way around... you are short volatility usually.