Re:Is reason the slave of the passions?
by adrianratnapala on Monday May 27, 2019 @01:39AM
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> It's an empirical fact that we must act on our desires;
Is it?
> when I examine my actions closely I notice that all of them can be traced back to some desire or combination of desires.
But when I introspect, the opposite happens. When I examine my desires closely, they disappear and I am left with "well I often engage in X, Y and Z goal-seeking behaviours."
If you grant that motivation for actions have two components, causal and stochastic, and ignore the stochastic element as just error, I could see labeling all causal impetuses as "desires" at some level. Anything you do, you do because the conscious you--or some lower level process that is a part of you--"wanted" it that way, give or take some random noise.
Indeed, a desire is ultimately the habit of seeking a particular goal. The comment you replied to stands regardless.
Re:Is reason the slave of the passions?
by ibeckermayer on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @02:25AM
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Don't “goal-seeking behaviors” imply desire? I can’t imagine a goal I might seek that isn’t a desire itself or connected closely to a desire.
I think a valid question along this line of inquiry is "are the actions I am taking in pursuit of my desires justified?". Actions are embodiments of ideas about how to act, and like other ideas can be deemed justified or unjustified through rational analysis. If an action embodies an idea that contradicts a known truth, it can be deemed unjustified.