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Re:Professional astronomers are calculating the cost of the ... by semi-extrinsic on Sunday May 26, 2019 @12:45PM (#20015828)
I don't see any reason why we should allow these satellites, if we're talking about literally mass polluting the night sky.

What they provide is a service that's already widely available in first world countries, and is seeing rapid increase in availability in third world countries (well, most of them, the US seems to be stagnant).

Re:Professional astronomers are calculating the cost of the ... by Robotbeat on Sunday May 26, 2019 @01:08PM (#20015978)
The night sky is impacted far more by blinking airplane lights and city light pollution than a few satellites.

This has been a thing since the dawn of space travel. These at least provide a service that most people would benefit from, either directly through service or indirectly through increased competition.

Honestly, I think more people enjoy watching Iridium satellites than are perturbed by them.

We’re not talking about pollution in the sense of significant changes in the brightness of the night sky (as we are with true light pollution from cities). We’re talking about the fact that they’re detectable with the naked eye.

Re:Professional astronomers are calculating the cost of the ... by manicdee on Sunday May 26, 2019 @02:13PM (#20016436)
The thing with Iridium watchers is that there were a small number of them. Seeing one was exciting.

If all the Starlink satellites are this bright, the night sky will have more Starlink satellites than visible stars.

Re:Professional astronomers are calculating the cost of the ... by TeMPOraL on Sunday May 26, 2019 @02:58PM (#20016715)
Iridium satellites were causing flares because of a design issue - their main antennas were essentially large mirrors. New generation of Iridium satellites fixed that issue (to my and other flare catchers' disappointment). I don't recall Starlink satellites to be designed to cause flares.
Re:Professional astronomers are calculating the cost of the ... by Robotbeat on Sunday May 26, 2019 @09:31PM (#20018798)
Someone has been doing calculations very wrong. That's not even close. https://twitter.com/planet4589/status/1132672683974549505?re...
Re:Professional astronomers are calculating the cost of the ... by flyinglizard on Sunday May 26, 2019 @01:16PM (#20016027)
Starlink could provide global connectivity that can’t be censored or regulated in most countries - and that’s huge.
Re:Professional astronomers are calculating the cost of the ... by _Microft on Sunday May 26, 2019 @02:42PM (#20016633)
Starlink would have to comply with what the country they are transmitting to permits or doesn't if they don't want to get in all sorts of trouble. An effect that Starlink could have though, is, that people might protest censorship more because all that stands between them and freely accessing the internet is their government allowing import of receivers (instead of no cable or mobile available at all, ISPs, government, ...).
Re:Professional astronomers are calculating the cost of the ... by Tepix on Sunday May 26, 2019 @02:14PM (#20016440)
That's incorrect. They will need permission from countries to transmit to its areas.
Re:Professional astronomers are calculating the cost of the ... by mhh__ on Sunday May 26, 2019 @01:38PM (#20016204)
Until they either get jammed or shot out of the sky

That and people using the service, even solely receiving can be tracked

Re:Professional astronomers are calculating the cost of the ... by YjSe2GMQ on Sunday May 26, 2019 @01:04PM (#20015951)
While I understand this will have superb latency, it's still not clear to me why would Starlink be cheaper than existing VSAT. VSAT is quite expensive (starting from ~thousand dollars per month): http://www.melatnetworks.com/price-list.asp

Or those, with prices around 50usd/gb: https://www.vsat-systems.com/service-offerings/VAR-VNO-Deale...

Even if Starlink is 10x cheaper than existing VSAT it does not come even close to LTE cost. And we have 5g on the horizon.

Re:Professional astronomers are calculating the cost of the ... by Tuna-Fish on Sunday May 26, 2019 @02:59PM (#20016729)
The reason to expect Starlink to provide lower cost than VSAT is that SpaceX is currently paying less than $500k per functional Starlink sat (including both manufacturing and launch cost), and intends to dramatically reduce the cost from that before launching the larger stages of the constellation. In contrast, the geostationary satellites that are used by VSAT cost near billions per each.

This three orders of magnitude difference in cost can be expected to be reflected in the price of the service.

Re:Professional astronomers are calculating the cost of the ... by Robotbeat on Sunday May 26, 2019 @01:13PM (#20016006)
That’s simply not true. Viasat offers much lower cost per GB. The higher speed plans are less than $1 per GB. The cheapest plan is $50/40GB. That’s already far cheaper than mobile data.

Starlink and others are likely to significantly improve on that, too. Fundamental costs (especially for later versions) are cents per GB or lower, competitive with AWS transit fees.

Re:Professional astronomers are calculating the cost of the ... by YjSe2GMQ on Sunday May 26, 2019 @01:23PM (#20016081)
Touché. Where can I find such offers?
Re:Professional astronomers are calculating the cost of the ... by Robotbeat on Sunday May 26, 2019 @09:35PM (#20018811)
This one: https://www.reviews.org/internet-service/viasat-reviews/

(look for "data cap") ...note that, for instance, the $50/month plan goes up to $70 after 3 months. But the data cap of 40GB is a soft cap.

Re:Professional astronomers are calculating the cost of the ... by YjSe2GMQ on Monday May 27, 2019 @08:45AM (#20021684)
It is much cheaper than I thought. Thanks!