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Re:An internet mob falsely painted a Chipotle employee as ra... by Veen on Saturday May 25, 2019 @04:21PM (#20011130)
Is everyone who doesn’t agree with “social progressivism” considered far right now? What you’re doing is language policing, which is one of the reasons many find SJWs offensive.
Re:An internet mob falsely painted a Chipotle employee as ra... by debatem1 on Saturday May 25, 2019 @04:29PM (#20011186)
Note the difference between what the first poster said and how the second has taken it.

The first poster talked about the origin of the word on the far right. The reply then exaggerated that claim into the strawman that everyone who disagrees is far right.

Independent of your political views, you should find this kind of hyperbolic and fallacious argument distasteful in public discourse.

Re:An internet mob falsely painted a Chipotle employee as ra... by Veen on Saturday May 25, 2019 @04:39PM (#20011258)
Also note that “guilt by association” is a common and distasteful rhetorical tactic, often taking the form of an implication that unwanted speech is tainted because of a spurious association with the far right or far left.

Further note that whether the term “SJW” originated with the far right — it didn’t — is irrelevant to its usefulness or accuracy (genetic fallacy).

The hyperbolic and fallacious arguments are to be found in the first poster’s comments.

Re:An internet mob falsely painted a Chipotle employee as ra... by debatem1 on Saturday May 25, 2019 @06:25PM (#20011863)
I can't speak to the origin of the word, because I simply don't know. If you're right about that and the parent was wrong, why not put the facts out there?

To put it another way, regardless of whether you agree with their logic, they've provided you with it: 'SJW' came from the right wing and describes progressives, therefore it is derogatory. If they have the facts wrong, demonstrate that and perhaps they will change their point of view.

Re:An internet mob falsely painted a Chipotle employee as ra... by Veen on Sunday May 26, 2019 @04:23AM (#20013786)
I’m not sure whether you consider this evidence, but here’s the second paragraph from the Wikipedia article on “SJW”. You can follow the reference links from there.

The phrase originated in the late 20th century as a neutral or positive term for people engaged in social justice activism.[1] In 2011, when the term first appeared on Twitter, it changed from a primarily positive term to an overwhelmingly negative one

As for your overall point, for an argument to be sound, its propositions have to be true and the logic has to valid. Even if the poster was right about the origin of the term, they failed to support their conclusion; namely that we should stop using the term SJW. Their conclusion wouldn’t follow from their premises even if they were true because the argument is fallacious (genetic fallacy, as I said).

As it happens, they were both factually and logically incorrect, and they papered over the flaws in their reasoning with manipulative rhetoric. To my mind, that’s exactly the sort of discourse that should be called out as harmful to reasonable conversation.

Re:An internet mob falsely painted a Chipotle employee as ra... by unimpressive on Saturday May 25, 2019 @04:23PM (#20011147)
It is generally adversarial to call people labels they wouldn't use themselves. Sometimes that adversarial tone is warranted. On Hacker News, in a top level comment that's starting off the conversation is probably not one of those places.
Re:An internet mob falsely painted a Chipotle employee as ra... by Veen on Saturday May 25, 2019 @04:27PM (#20011173)
Adversarial in the same way as referring to anyone who isn’t a progressive as far right?
Re:An internet mob falsely painted a Chipotle employee as ra... by unimpressive on Saturday May 25, 2019 @04:32PM (#20011205)
Yes. Exactly like that.
Re:An internet mob falsely painted a Chipotle employee as ra... by user982 on Saturday May 25, 2019 @04:28PM (#20011177)
> It is generally adversarial to call people labels they wouldn't use themselves.

SJW originated as a self-appellation.

Re:An internet mob falsely painted a Chipotle employee as ra... by PunchTornado on Saturday May 25, 2019 @04:30PM (#20011193)
most far righters consider themselves just right wing or centric or 'common sense' as I recently heard. everbody uses labels that others don't like.
Re:An internet mob falsely painted a Chipotle employee as ra... by josteink on Saturday May 25, 2019 @04:27PM (#20011169)
SJW is a well recognised term for a political movement and their principally unsound methods.

In this case, the actual story is about SJWs and their actions, and how their unsoundness has caused injustice.

YMMV, but personally I couldn’t imagine a better term to use in the top level comment.

Re:An internet mob falsely painted a Chipotle employee as ra... by walshemj on Saturday May 25, 2019 @04:23PM (#20011144)
But actually those that use "SJW" in this way are not in the main stream - so yes they are considered far right.
Re:An internet mob falsely painted a Chipotle employee as ra... by Veen on Saturday May 25, 2019 @04:25PM (#20011163)
I’ve met plenty of traditional leftists who don’t buy into identity politics and consider SJW an apt description.
Re:An internet mob falsely painted a Chipotle employee as ra... by mrec on Saturday May 25, 2019 @04:50PM (#20011326)
And I've encountered some leftists who, while they don't use the term "SJW" amongst themselves, are comfortable describing themselves that way to others since (as far as I could make out) everyone has a pretty good idea what it refers to and they consider that stereotype accurate enough to be useful.

Obviously none of that will apply to everyone, but hey. Some people juggle geese.

Re:An internet mob falsely painted a Chipotle employee as ra... by walshemj on Saturday May 25, 2019 @06:56PM (#20012021)
Ah you mean "hobbyists"