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Re:Nearly 25% of Americans are going into debt to pay for ne... by Simon_says on Friday May 24, 2019 @02:48PM (#20004237)
Your definitions don't match conventional understanding.
Re:Nearly 25% of Americans are going into debt to pay for ne... by kazinator on Friday May 24, 2019 @03:35PM (#20004646)
They absolutely do. An interest-free loan that you know you will pay off on time is only "debt" academically. It's just shuffling money between accounts, effectively. After each credit card purchase, in theory, you could log in to your online banking and pay off the balance immediately with cash you have on hand in another account. You could do that even before the purchase transitions from pending to posted to your account. Basically, you're not in debt.

You're "in debt" when your liabilities exceed your assets. You have negative equity, and so these debts are claims against your future income.

That's what "in debt" means, in a nutshell: your future income belongs to someone else.

If we are going to write a story about how some population segment is "in debt", but we label everyone as "in debt" if they have any credit card balance, that is blatantly dishonest.

Re:Nearly 25% of Americans are going into debt to pay for ne... by chrisseaton on Friday May 24, 2019 @04:29PM (#20005000)
You are 'in debt' to the credit card company. They're 'in credit' to you. That's why they're called a 'credit' card company. When you spend your credit you're creating debt. When you pay your card off you're paying off debt.
Re:Nearly 25% of Americans are going into debt to pay for ne... by kazinator on Friday May 24, 2019 @05:42PM (#20005546)
"In debt to X" is not "in debt"; it's not how language works.

"In debt" is a loaded phrase which means that the interests against you exceed your assets. It's a common term, for which the more formal word is "deficit".

That's the interesting thing if you want a story on lots of people being in some kind of financial strain.

A temporary loan purely for transactional or cash flow convenience does not represent any sort of financial strain.

Re:Nearly 25% of Americans are going into debt to pay for ne... by izzydata on Friday May 24, 2019 @02:54PM (#20004300)
Well that doesn't tell me much of anything, but I love that sentence.
Re:Nearly 25% of Americans are going into debt to pay for ne... by dgzl on Friday May 24, 2019 @03:05PM (#20004395)
Credit is having the ability to obtain debt. Once you use the credit, you have debt, regardless of when or if you pay it off.
Re:Nearly 25% of Americans are going into debt to pay for ne... by kazinator on Friday May 24, 2019 @03:48PM (#20004734)
You're not in debt if at all times while you are using this credit, you actually have the cash to pay it off.

Then you're using credit for convenience, not as a loan because you don't have money.

People using crdit strictly for convenience, always paying their bill within the interest-free grace period, are not in debt (on account of that credit card).

Even people with significant loans are not necessarily in debt. If you borrowed $300K to buy a $400K home that is now worth $500, you still have a loan, but that is offset by equity in the property. It's not the same as borrowing to buy food, which is consumed and gone.

Re:Nearly 25% of Americans are going into debt to pay for ne... by dgzl on Friday May 24, 2019 @04:02PM (#20004822)
Is this fact? Because my intuition is making me believe you're wrong.

If you're successfully paying off your CC, then what are you paying off if it's not debt?

IMO, to be in someone's debt means you have to pay them back, which is regardless of what cash you have.

Are you trying to say that if I borrow money from someone and I actually have the cash to pay them back, then I'm not actually in their debt?

Re:Nearly 25% of Americans are going into debt to pay for ne... by kazinator on Friday May 24, 2019 @05:38PM (#20005516)
"in someone's debt" is not the same as "in debt".

"In debt" is a loaded term which actually refers to a deficit situation, rather than the mere existence of loans. If we say, "OMG, X% of Americans are in debt", the reasonable interpretation is that are under financial strain due to actually running a deficit, not that some of them owe their friend ten bucks for yesterday's lunch because they forgot their wallet at the office.

Re:Nearly 25% of Americans are going into debt to pay for ne... by izzydata on Friday May 24, 2019 @04:51PM (#20005177)
I don't know, but one of these two things is not a useful metric for what this article is trying to claim.