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Re:Dividends and Buybacks Now Larger Than Total Reported Ear... by kortilla on Friday May 24, 2019 @01:47PM (#20003757)
You think returning money to investors is a sign the economy is broken?

IMO it’s a sign companies are doing the intelligent thing and are assuming investors are better investors than throwing money at random shit.

Re:Dividends and Buybacks Now Larger Than Total Reported Ear... by kovacs on Friday May 24, 2019 @02:58PM (#20004334)
Asking that question seems to imply that you didn't really see the commenter's reasons for asserting that...

"instead of actually investing in things like capital expenditures, R&D, or higher salaries"

Specifically the last one. The pay gap is larger than ever. The efficiency gains over the last 20 years or more are systematically being funneled up the food chain to executives and shareholders. Even in tech there's a ton of wage stagnation compared to the real cost of living over this period.

I think this is the crux of the assertion if I'm not mistaken. It's broken that the share of increased prosperity isn't anywhere near equally distributed. I wouldn't call that throwing money at random shit.

Re:Dividends and Buybacks Now Larger Than Total Reported Ear... by povertyworld on Friday May 24, 2019 @01:58PM (#20003854)
Right. Wouldn't it be great if Google would start paying a dividend instead of throwing away money on goofy acquisitions like Boston Dynamics? How the hell is a robot dog that does flips or whatever supposed to improve their advertising business exactly? Give me a break.
Re:Dividends and Buybacks Now Larger Than Total Reported Ear... by ForHackernews on Friday May 24, 2019 @02:00PM (#20003875)
...it was supposed to get them into the highly lucrative world of military contracting. But then it caused too much of a PR stink, so they had to back off from that idea.
Re:Dividends and Buybacks Now Larger Than Total Reported Ear... by sonnyblarney on Friday May 24, 2019 @02:10PM (#20003946)
" How the hell is a robot dog that does flips or whatever supposed to improve their advertising business exactly?"

Because a robot that does flips can also flip burgers, pick inventory, sneak up on people (i.e. military) and ultimately that stuff will be worth a lot.

One of their lesser goofy investments.

Re:Dividends and Buybacks Now Larger Than Total Reported Ear... by povertyworld on Friday May 24, 2019 @02:37PM (#20004156)
Yeah, it was so less goofy they had to unload it on Softbank, the goofy investment kings.
Re:Dividends and Buybacks Now Larger Than Total Reported Ear... by sonnyblarney on Friday May 24, 2019 @02:45PM (#20004209)
Softbank is not making goofy investments (hover skatebaords), they are making ROI investments (real estate leasing).

Google dumped the robots for strategic reasons, moreover, it's going to be a while before payoff.

Re:Dividends and Buybacks Now Larger Than Total Reported Ear... by povertyworld on Friday May 24, 2019 @03:01PM (#20004360)
Softbank going all in on ARM at this late stage of the game seemed a little on the goofy side. I didn't know they were into real estate. Isn't it kind of a bad idea to buy real estate, but not be structured like a REIT since you'd lose tax advantages? Then again, I don't know how it works in Japan. I just know I've been suspicious of Softbank ever since they put a ton of money into Yahoo, and I haven't seen any evidence countering this admitted bias.
Re:Dividends and Buybacks Now Larger Than Total Reported Ear... by sonnyblarney on Friday May 24, 2019 @03:14PM (#20004485)
Softbank is not making 'goofy' investments along the lines of Google's 'loon' projects, like putting Wifi in air balloons.

They are making 'real' investments in late stage companies with actual business models, or things that have obvious potential upsides.

Softbank is basically where companies go for D and E rounds instead of going public. So there is some risk, but way less risk than left-field, early stage investments.

Their 'real estate' investment is in WeWork, which probably will make them a lot of money as long as interest rates don't flinch higher, and as long as there is no real-estate crash.

Sprint, ARM, Yahoo, Uber, Slack - these are not 'crazy' investments, especially depending on price. Yahoo might actually have some 'decent fundamentals' on some level, and be worth something at some price. They have a gigantic audience, and some small changes might make them be profitable at some level, and they could very well be worth something, at some price.

It's a cross between classic private equity and late stage venture capital, all of their investments make sense in that context.

Re:Dividends and Buybacks Now Larger Than Total Reported Ear... by JohnJamesRambo on Friday May 24, 2019 @02:28PM (#20004084)
The unceasing robot dog terminator hunts you down, pins you, and shows you ads on its visor/eyes.
Re:Dividends and Buybacks Now Larger Than Total Reported Ear... by MrRadar on Friday May 24, 2019 @04:25PM (#20004963)
This comment reminds me of one of my favorite pieces of Internet fiction titled Attention Deficit Disorder[1]. The original context was a thread where the OP was arguing for a literal "attention economy" and the story is meant to extrapolate their arguments into absurdity.

[1]: https://pastebin.com/KCbP6rbr

Re:Dividends and Buybacks Now Larger Than Total Reported Ear... by JohnJamesRambo on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @11:37AM (#20031184)
Lol this is terrifying.