Which is irrelevant, because they'd manufacture some other charge to get him on.

Every single person on the entire planet can be charged with dozens of things by a u.s. prosecutor with enough time and incentive. That's how the laws are designed. If they want you, they _will_ get you.

But those are not things that Sweden would extradite him for. They'd lock him up for rape, yes, but not extradite him to the US.

Mail fraud, wire fraud, intellectual property theft, copyright infringement/piracy, subpeonas, a law from 1806 about people with white hair, i-dont-like-your-face, etc.

My point isn't so much that this one specific violation wouldn't qualify for extradition. It's that the laws are so intentionally vague and broad and numerous that they can be interpreted in such a way to charge _anybody_ with _something_ if they want to.

... but where he was charged with rape. So he gave up protection from extradition to the US in exchange for protection against the rape charge. A cynic might think it tells you which one he thought he had more reason to fear.

Sweden has allowed the US government to just black bag people in the past.

The UK doesn't from their soil. There's good reason to think they don't have a issue with extraordinary rendition in the global sense; I think they just don't like the idea of a former colony subverting their legal system. But all of that means that it's more likely for Assange to stay in the legal system in the UK rather than being black bagged.

How many people go to the UK to escape the US? This is a very strange argument.

He found himself stuck in the UK, and didn't want to go to Sweden, which has a habit of allowing the CIA to kidnap people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repatriation_of_Ahmed_Agiza_an...

I'm sure he'd prefer to leave the UK too if he could, but between Sweden and the UK, when facing this amount of scrutiny from the US, the UK is his obvious choice since they don't allow extraordinary rendition starting from their soil.

One incident does not constitute a habit, especially when you consider all of the backlash cited on the same link. Prior to the Bush administration, the US had a much better reputation for fair treatment and trial and given everything which has happened since you really need to establish that the Swedish government would do the same thing.

I mean, there was very little actual backlash. No one living took the blame.

And the reputation the US used wasn't their good side, it was the economic threats against Sweden that made them capitulate. The US is still more than willing to take such measures to get what it wants.

I think it is a bit absurd to think Sweeden would allow it in this case either considering that legally they wouldn't allow him to be extradited.

The whole point of extraordinary rendition is that it's outside the legal process. The individuals in the wiki link I gave you successfully sued and won on the fact that Sweden had allowed their kidnapping when Sweden wouldn't have allowed an extradition.

Ah yes, the completely logical argument that in order to be able to complete a rendition outside the legal process, those dastardly Swedes decided to commence a very public legal process against him requiring him to be on trial in Sweden...

(The UK makes dubious decisions to repatriate asylum seekers to countries like Egypt all the time FWIW)

That is a pretty logical argument. The Swedes have a legal system that is going to be quite different from the Anglophone common law systems and we can't really predict exactly what will happen. As monocasa linked, the Swedish legal system is not in a position to resist US demands backed by a threatening attitude. One incident is more than enough to establish that Sweden will likely fold if pressured.

It is reasonable to think that the Swedes have identified a different avenue that they can use to have Assange leave the country care of the US, and that they would exercise that option once they have him in custody.

That is almost certainly what Assange thinks. I don't know I've ever seen the likely penalty for what he was charged with, but I doubt it is more than a decade and he would have spent longer than that in the Ecuadorian Embassy the way things were shaping up. His actions are only rational if he is expecting the US to be involved.

... yes, Sweden's public historical willingness to cooperate extralegally with the US in ways that the UK is not is in fact pretty good evidence of... exactly that situation being capable of occurring.

You miss the point. If Sweden's true motivation lay in doing something outside the legal system, what on earth was the protracted legal process for unrelated allegations of offences committed in Sweden all about? And if Assange's true motivation was fear that the Swedes were unusually willing to act outside rather the legal process rather than within it, why was he so ambivalent about this threat that he chose to live there and stayed there until his lawyer received notification legal proceedings against him had reached the stage where he was due to be charged?

It's certainly amusing to see Assange fans rewrite history to make the UK the good guy when it comes to not cooperating with the US over extraordinary renditions (or indeed ordinary ones). Even the UK government wouldn't make that claim.

IMO I think Asssange has had trouble with the truth in favor of cultivating his image for a long while now.

Granted, that's a very human thing to do. He's not alone... politicians all the time.

Back in the day when there was a wikileaks facebook page, if you followed up asking about "hey you said you'd release X" after they talked something up and did nothing ... they'd just delete your comment.

> ... but where he was charged with rape.

This statement is not accurate. There were not, and are not, any charges in Sweden against Assange. There is only an investigation.

... for which they wanted him to return to Sweden to face questioning, right? To avoid that return to Sweden, he sought asylum in the Ecuadorean embassy, right?

If not, why did he seek asylum?

He chose to go to Ecuador, once the US plans became obvious to them.

Then US could think out any other crime to get him extradited.

I feel like these "they could" things are endless and doesn't really provide much justification.

Stuff could happen in Ecuador too. Sweeden still seems like a far better bet, legally, and visibility wise.