Re:After 15 Years, the Pirate Bay Still Can’t Be Killed
by shmerl on Thursday May 23, 2019 @03:31PM
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Is there any way to change this, besides reforming the whole election system?
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Re:After 15 Years, the Pirate Bay Still Can’t Be Killed
by nosuchthing on Thursday May 23, 2019 @07:17PM
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Ranked choice voting, and efforts to eliminate gerrymandering.
The 2020 census.
https://old.reddit.com/r/EndFPTP/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schulze_method#Comparison_tabl...
https://www.wired.com/2017/04/gerrymandering-illegal-mathema...
https://theintercept.com/2017/11/03/maine-ranked-choice-voti...
Re:After 15 Years, the Pirate Bay Still Can’t Be Killed
by hannasanarion on Thursday May 23, 2019 @03:42PM
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Nope! Duvergers law says that our election system will never be stable with more than two parties.
Re:After 15 Years, the Pirate Bay Still Can’t Be Killed
by shmerl on Thursday May 23, 2019 @03:51PM
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Then it surely needs reforming. Current parties simply don't adequately represent the people.
Re:After 15 Years, the Pirate Bay Still Can’t Be Killed
by ixwt on Thursday May 23, 2019 @04:08PM
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There are many other voting systems that are better than the current first past the post (FPTP) voting system that the US currently uses. None are perfect, but pretty much every single one is better than FPTP.
A ranked-choice voting system would encourage the existence of more parties. Even a run off voting would help with the existence of more parties, while still preserving the simplicity of FPTP (though, getting people to vote is hard enough, forcing them to go vote a second time would probably be even harder).
Re:After 15 Years, the Pirate Bay Still Can’t Be Killed
by Faark on Thursday May 23, 2019 @05:34PM
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I agree with FPTP being bad. But keep in mind the big advantage of the system is keeping two parties close to even, leading to more frequent regime changes. This makes it harder to rig the system in your favor, thus providing long term stability. I'm not sure if term limits alone would would be good enough at that.
Re:After 15 Years, the Pirate Bay Still Can’t Be Killed
by ixwt on Thursday May 23, 2019 @05:56PM
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I'm somewhat skeptical of the thought that FPTP makes it harder to rig the system. I'm probably a bit information diet biased here, but it seems (as an example) that Republicans have had more court rulings against them due to unfair gerrymandering of districts. It seems who holds the power gets to determine the districts, which would help preserve power. If there wasn't a two way swing, it would arguably be harder to gerrymander in one parties favor, as it _should_ be more difficult to hold 51%+ power if more than 2 parties are available.
Re:After 15 Years, the Pirate Bay Still Can’t Be Killed
by foobarian on Thursday May 23, 2019 @11:07PM
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How cool would it be if we passed gerrymandering restrictions based on the fractal dimension of the district maps :-)
Re:After 15 Years, the Pirate Bay Still Can’t Be Killed
by sjy on Thursday May 23, 2019 @07:17PM
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Wouldn't you expect even more frequent regime changes in a system where the vote was split between three or more parties? This is a common criticism of minority government.
Re:After 15 Years, the Pirate Bay Still Can’t Be Killed
by hannasanarion on Friday May 24, 2019 @10:25PM
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No, only if the electoral system is winner take all. Multiparty proportional systems can be very stable,for example, Germany 2000-present