ARM memo tells staff to stop working with Huawei

Re:ARM memo tells staff to stop working with Huawei by DCKing on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @08:47AM (#19980549)

I see a lot of people dreaming about Huawei needing to pivot to open source technology, but the overwhelmingly likely outcome here is that the trade dispute gets (partially) resolved to the extent that Huawei can operate as usual again.

Dreaming of Huawei backed RISC V SoCs is a pipe dream anyway, at least for mobile processors. For a mobile SoC you need a GPU as well. There are no viable open source GPU architectures, and all vendors are US-based (Vivante, Broadcom (?), AMD, Nvidia, Qualcomm, Intel, only the first three ever do licensing deals) or UK based (ARM (Mali), PowerVR).

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Re:ARM memo tells staff to stop working with Huawei by shard on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @09:10AM (#19980760)

Vivante was a US company in name only (engineering in China) and after acquisition in China (by Verisilicon, whose founder and CEO is the brother of the founder and CEO of Vivante), it's not even a US company in name.

Also, other US companies with GPUs besides the first 3 in your list are are open to licensing if the fees are big enough. I can't give more details than that though.

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Re:ARM memo tells staff to stop working with Huawei by desdiv on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @10:33AM (#19981578)

>Also, other US companies with GPUs besides the first 3 in your list are are open to licensing if the fees are big enough.

This is a news story about a UK company being prohibited from dealing with Huawei due to its products containing "US origin technology". So I'm assuming that US GPU companies would also be prohibited from licensing to Huawei due to their IP's "US origin".

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Re:ARM memo tells staff to stop working with Huawei by sanxiyn on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @10:44AM (#19981706)

Note that Imagination Technologies (a company behind PowerVR) made an explicit statement that they are not affected by US ban because they have no US origin technology. Read Bloomberg report here:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-20/european-...

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Re:ARM memo tells staff to stop working with Huawei by DCKing on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @11:09AM (#19982006)

Ah, so PowerVR seems to be still a viable path even if this does not get overturned, and if Huawei can magically move to MIPS or RISC V in a reasonable timeframe.

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Re:ARM memo tells staff to stop working with Huawei by 0-_-0 on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @09:12AM (#19980773)

PowerVR is now owned by Canyon Bridge, which is backed by China.

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Re:ARM memo tells staff to stop working with Huawei by tyingq on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @09:18AM (#19980827)

The rhetoric is pretty strong around Huwaei. What sort of PR exchange do you see that resolves this, with them continuing to use ARM with a blessing from Google, the oval office, etc?

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Re:ARM memo tells staff to stop working with Huawei by throw667843 on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @12:00PM (#19982575)

Not PR, but actually money and lobbying. Maybe promise a factory in some key cities and states.

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Re:ARM memo tells staff to stop working with Huawei by sanxiyn on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @10:25AM (#19981503)

You know what? This was posted TODAY.

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=SiFive-R...

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Re:ARM memo tells staff to stop working with Huawei by jason0597 on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @08:52AM (#19980598)

ARM's now owned by Softbank (Japanese), so it's not even British anymore

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Re:ARM memo tells staff to stop working with Huawei by imtringued on Thursday May 23, 2019 @07:12AM (#19990588)

It's a pipe dream but now there is a reason for it to happen. Previously the Chinese could just strike a deal with western businesses now they are forced to rely on their own competence.

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