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Re:Experiments find higher social class more likely to have ... by cirrus-clouds on Monday May 20, 2019 @03:19PM (#19963997)
I'm from the UK where British politics is dysfunctional and rotten to the core. Politics is overstuffed with wealthy "upper class" individuals of breathtaking incompetence and a nasty, dishonest, duplicitous nature. Yet, despite that, if you have a well-spoken, articulate voice and accent, the public will perceive you as competent and sensible no matter what bollocks you spout. Depressing.
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Re:Experiments find higher social class more likely to have ... by barry-cotter on Monday May 20, 2019 @04:23PM (#19964758)
> I'm from the UK where British politics is dysfunctional and rotten to the core.

Oh God, it’s a disaster to watch. The Tories are repeatedly kicking themselves in the balls publicly and Labour is run by someone who has almost no support from MPs and who comes third after “Don’t know” in the rankings of potential prime ministers.

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Re:Experiments find higher social class more likely to have ... by eli_gottlieb on Monday May 20, 2019 @07:12PM (#19966199)
>Labour is run by someone who has almost no support from MPs and who comes third after “Don’t know” in the rankings of potential prime ministers.

Well if he'd stop trying to have it both ways on the biggest issue of the day against the will of most of his voters and party members...

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Re:Experiments find higher social class more likely to have ... by viivaux on Monday May 20, 2019 @04:51PM (#19965061)
Are you talking about Corbyn? The guy with broad support despite an unremitting smear campaign from every single corner of the media from The Grauniad to the Beeb, never mind the tabloids? The guy who has been astonishingly effective standing up to the Maybots and revitalised Labour?

I'm very curious what poll you're referring to there that has him after "don't know".

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Re:Experiments find higher social class more likely to have ... by ben_w on Monday May 20, 2019 @05:14PM (#19965275)
YouGov survey for the Times: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/polling-shows-voters...

I used to like him. I wish he was all that you call him.

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Re:Experiments find higher social class more likely to have ... by viivaux on Monday May 20, 2019 @06:47PM (#19966049)
An online poll. Huh.

What did I 'call him' that you disagree with?

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Re:Experiments find higher social class more likely to have ... by ben_w on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @01:44AM (#19967820)
That he has “broad support“, that he has “been astonishingly effective”, and that he has “revitalised Labour”. I wish all those things were true.

Unrelated: while YouGov is indeed online, it chooses which people to send the surveys to and has long-term profiles on each of them, so unlike a silly Twitter poll it has decent statistical relevance and the biases seem to be persistent, well quantified, and generally accounted for — you shouldn’t dismiss it just because you don’t like what it’s saying.

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Re:Experiments find higher social class more likely to have ... by eli_gottlieb on Monday May 20, 2019 @07:16PM (#19966240)
Getting tankies to crawl out of the woodwork isn't quite the same as revitalizing a democratic socialist party. You can get a certain number of people immediately on your side in left politics just by saying something to the left of all previous electoral candidates for high office -- see, Bernie Sanders in the United States.

Now, I support Sanders and quite like Corbyn minus the Brexit and the antisemitism issues, but they both face a similar challenge: their core support bases aren't actually ideologically coherent, let alone aligned entirely behind the candidates' programs. Lots of leftists basically treat Sanders or Corbyn as beloved old conservative uncles, while insisting that nobody with Sanders' or Corbyn's actual (social democratic to democratic socialist) politics should encouraged within Left politics.

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Re:Experiments find higher social class more likely to have ... by rospaya on Monday May 20, 2019 @05:14PM (#19965278)
He could stop Brexit but won't, which makes him at least as evil as May in my book.
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Re:Experiments find higher social class more likely to have ... by ben_w on Monday May 20, 2019 @05:18PM (#19965320)
Could he, though? In most of the surveys I’ve seen, all options are only supported by a minority, including stopping it. Only a few surveys report that any particular outcome has >50% support, and most of those only just.
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Re:Experiments find higher social class more likely to have ... by stefan_ on Monday May 20, 2019 @03:40PM (#19964248)
British politics seem to have a few psychoses, like the "special relationship" or the fact that it's now a mostly negligible island, not some world reigning imperialist superpower.
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Re:Experiments find higher social class more likely to have ... by hobo_mark on Monday May 20, 2019 @04:11PM (#19964627)
Oh, TIL! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Relationship
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Re:Experiments find higher social class more likely to have ... by NeedMoreTea on Monday May 20, 2019 @09:43PM (#19966980)
A special relationship that's meant little since Suez, except during the Thatcher-Reagan years as they got on so well personally. Every PM since has tried to talk it up, whilst knowing their place full well. See Blair, the faithful poodle.

The rose-tinted mourning of the loss of empire and former superpower status (see this week's universally negative reviews of Rees-Mogg's jingoistic "history" book) amongst some in Britain is a good part of why many have such a negative view of Europe. Many don't feel part of it, but merely next to it, looking down. It's this that the Daily Heil keep talking up. A mindset which is really hard to understand, but it seems like they think that exiting will put us back as global superpower, trading with the world, and... err.

This from a Britain that sells off everything significant and worthy of pride we've ever done, or simply ruins it, and only just remains a blue-water navy. I'm not quite sure how this magic is ever meant to happen. :)

Staying a part of Europe makes far more sense to me, but after Brexit it will be really hard for those euroskeptics to continue to believe we count for much. The reality of our being a post-imperial insignificant little island might start to sink in, especially if the city decides to bugger off. Ironically, in the long run, we might end up better for that.

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Re:Experiments find higher social class more likely to have ... by gwbas1c on Monday May 20, 2019 @04:26PM (#19964800)
It's like that all over the world
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