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Re:Substituting healthy plant proteins for red meat lowers r... by krageon on Thursday May 16, 2019 @03:27AM (#19926894)
When I last tried it, the core trouble of a diet like this (to me) was increased cost. Like the other extreme (eating basically only meat), an atypical diet means you need to dip into uncommon ingredients in order to end up with a balanced diet (for plant matter, getting the vitamins you normally get from meat can be challenging - especially to your wallet).

How did you solve this? If you did not, what would you estimate the percentage increase of your food spending to be? Can you give some insight into what part of the world you are (Africa/Asia/Europe/North America/South America or something of that granularity is fine), if you are comfortable with doing so?

Re:Substituting healthy plant proteins for red meat lowers r... by MiroF on Thursday May 16, 2019 @10:02AM (#19929124)
" getting the vitamins you normally get from meat can be challenging - especially to your wallet" - Which vitamins? I'm honestly curious, the only one I think vegans have a shortage of is B12, which is easily substituted for with cheap ingredients.

As someone who has recently switched, I'm honestly confused as to this "cost" issue... it seems to me that the diet is much, much cheaper now that I no longer have to buy meat. I understand the price issue at restaurants (vegan places are more niche and thus more expensive), but if you cook for yourself, I find myself saving money.

Re:Substituting healthy plant proteins for red meat lowers r... by skilled on Thursday May 16, 2019 @03:49AM (#19926980)
I think this (cost) is the biggest "roadblock" most people see when thinking about a plant-based diet. I currently live in Asia, but travel back and forth between Europe every few months.

One of the ways I solved this is by being comfortable to have meals that consist of nothing but raw food. So, raw nuts, raw vegetables and fruit, and legumes whenever I desire. But I also try to look at it realistically. For example, a tub of Kale Powder (120g) will set me back around 20USD. But, how likely am I to consume that tub in one day? In fact, it will last me for up to 4 weeks. The same goes for 350 grams of Hemp Protein. It's 20USD but I'm going to be having that over a period of at least 2 weeks.

One difference between Asia and Europe is that in Asia I can get a much bigger variety of fruit, which is generally my go-to food besides everything else. But even then, I never leave the supermarket having spent more than 30USD for 4-5 days worth of food.

If I had to be specific, for the entirety of a whole month I'll be spending about 250-300USD on food. I'm honestly not familiar with other diets and not sure how much they can run up over a month. What I do know is that I never have any leftovers. Everything gets consumed one way or another.

Re:Substituting healthy plant proteins for red meat lowers r... by krageon on Thursday May 16, 2019 @04:43AM (#19927212)
I think for my location (Europe, mainly) that is a fairly typical amount of spending for a month of food. However, I spend that for roughly two people and from the times I've had to buy food in Asia (admittedly some years ago) it is quite a lot cheaper than it would be here.

That would put it at maybe twice as expensive (or even slightly more) as a non-restricted diet. Is that a fair assessment?

Re:Substituting healthy plant proteins for red meat lowers r... by skilled on Thursday May 16, 2019 @11:04AM (#19929664)
It depends on the way you look at it. I'm living a minimalistic lifestyle where food is actually my number one expense month to month. When I'm back in Europe, I never spend more than 150USD on food, not only because my options are oftentimes limited, but also because I get to pay the "local" price.

A lot of the popular Asian hotspots have gotten clever over the years, and are no longer afraid to charge foreigners an enormous premium. In the last year alone, I have had to walk away from numerous local sellers because they've gotten extremely greedy and won't accept any bargaining. If you know the local language, it helps a little.

I think if you're serious about making the switch, you first have to look at what you're eating right now. Is it healthy? Is it environmentally friendly? Does it make you feel good? What will you eat instead of meat? Do you even need dairy in your life or are you consuming it out of habit?

When I first started out I had no idea what I was doing, and I sort of winged it. But, gradually, I have learned to appreciate the many different varieties to food that I would have otherwise replaced with a slab of steak or a chicken breast.

Re:Substituting healthy plant proteins for red meat lowers r... by firethief on Thursday May 16, 2019 @11:26AM (#19929879)
I live near Seattle. My staples cost less than $1/person/day--just add produce and seasoning. I don't know what you consider "uncommon ingredients" but it sounds like you were doing it wrong.