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Re:The word “lox” hasn't changed in sound or meaning in 8k y... by amarant on Wednesday May 15, 2019 @01:38AM (#19916713)
That's surprising! I know the Scottish dialects has a lot of Scandinavian influences, (ex they say "barn" to mean children)

Lax is Swedish for salmon, so I would've expected a similar root for that word! Some quick googling suggests the Swedish variant has roots in the Germanic and Baltic languages, which are not directly related to Yiddish afaik. Funny how languages are so similar sometimes, seemingly by chance!

Re:The word “lox” hasn't changed in sound or meaning in 8k y... by gargarplex on Wednesday May 15, 2019 @02:27AM (#19916892)
> the Swedish variant has roots in the Germanic and Baltic languages, which are not directly related to Yiddish afaik

In fact, Yiddish is Judeo-German and has elements from Slavic languages.

Re:The word “lox” hasn't changed in sound or meaning in 8k y... by felixyz on Wednesday May 15, 2019 @05:44AM (#19917776)
Yiddish is a germanic language with Hebrew elements. If you know German or a Scandinavian language, you can understand a fair bit of written Yiddish just by squinting and guessing along.
Re:The word “lox” hasn't changed in sound or meaning in 8k y... by daleharvey on Wednesday May 15, 2019 @02:21AM (#19916876)
lol "bairn"

A Barn is still a farm building in Scotland

Re:The word “lox” hasn't changed in sound or meaning in 8k y... by jacobush on Wednesday May 15, 2019 @02:29AM (#19916901)
Yeah, but ignoring spelling and instead listening to how it's pronounced - it's the same. My Swedish grandmother pronounced it pretty much exactly to how Scottish sounds to me.
Re:The word “lox” hasn't changed in sound or meaning in 8k y... by noir_lord on Wednesday May 15, 2019 @03:38AM (#19917182)
Not just Scotland, Part of north England I'm from "Bairn" is very widely used (but we had a massive Viking presence that still shows up in place names and such).
Re:The word “lox” hasn't changed in sound or meaning in 8k y... by simonh on Wednesday May 15, 2019 @05:18AM (#19917665)
My mother's family are from Durham and my grandmother called us 'the bairns'. Also pigs were swine and when we were ill we were 'out of fettle'. I've no trace of it in my own speech now, but still love the sound of it.

I once went to Norway and it seemed to me like they were speaking German with a Geordie accent.

Re:The word “lox” hasn't changed in sound or meaning in 8k y... by Angostura on Wednesday May 15, 2019 @04:17AM (#19917363)
I've always heard 'bairn' and 'barn' pronounced quite differently, with the former rhyming with 'air'
Re:The word “lox” hasn't changed in sound or meaning in 8k y... by OJFord on Wednesday May 15, 2019 @04:34AM (#19917429)
In my (English) head, a Scottish (and even more so Irish) accent does pronounce 'barn' to rhyme with 'air' too though.

Of course I'm probably doing a terrible impression of each in my head.

Re:The word “lox” hasn't changed in sound or meaning in 8k y... by daleharvey on Wednesday May 15, 2019 @06:06AM (#19917884)
There are some strong accents that could pronounce them similiarly, the islands / getting close to irish could pronounce the "air" in "barn". But in general / central belt those words are pronounced differently
Re:The word “lox” hasn't changed in sound or meaning in 8k y... by jacobush on Wednesday May 15, 2019 @08:06AM (#19918557)
I was more implying that the Swedish pronunciation of its "barn" is more like English "air". (For some Swedish dialects.) The takeaway, when comparing related languages, don't think too much about spelling. Compare how actual people say words, and you will often find striking similarities.
Re:The word “lox” hasn't changed in sound or meaning in 8k y... by alasdair_ on Wednesday May 15, 2019 @12:01PM (#19920706)
>Yeah, but ignoring spelling and instead listening to how it's pronounced - it's the same

I’m Scottish and pronounce the two words quite differently. “Bairn” sounds like “bear” with an “n” at the end and “barn” has a much harder “a” sound.

Interestingly, “burn” is a common word for a small stream in Scotland, but I digress.

Re:The word “lox” hasn't changed in sound or meaning in 8k y... by WAHa_06x36 on Wednesday May 15, 2019 @03:59AM (#19917269)
....maybe read the article?