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Re:California jury says Bayer must pay $2B to couple in Roun... by adventured on Monday May 13, 2019 @07:42PM (#19905221)
The only counter suggestion I've ever seen are expert panels that remove decisions from The People and move it up the ladder of control and power, where the elites and bureaucrats can ideally be more easily paid off by companies like Bayer to rule in their favor. The elites love choke points that amplify their control over society, always under the guise that they know best (inevitably resulting in vast, systemic corruption that is nearly impossible to stop).

Panels and government oversight boards are just another easy target for lobbying (in all of its various flavors). As though the US system doesn't have enough of those corruption points in place now. There are an enormous number of jury cases in the US every year however, and bribery is rare.

If you replace traditional juries with expert panels, it's guaranteed that the system will be designed - by those that benefit from all other forms of lobbying - to have holes in it that allow forms of legal lobbying and influence, whether direct or indirect.

I'll take juries of The People in all regards, and without exception, over the extraordinarily dangerous, anti-democratic risks involved in shifting the system toward elitist expert panels. We already have enough of that shit dominating our country as it is. I choose the less perfect system - if that's indeed the choice - that retains power in the people broadly, keeping a critically important piece of the justice system mass-involved - something we're all part of.

Re:California jury says Bayer must pay $2B to couple in Roun... by phs318u on Tuesday May 14, 2019 @02:41AM (#19907304)
Not necessarily disagreeing with your points but who exactly are “the elites”? Elite thinkers? Elite earners? Elite influencers? Elite who, and elite by what criteria?
Re:California jury says Bayer must pay $2B to couple in Roun... by scotty79 on Tuesday May 14, 2019 @05:44AM (#19908066)
I read it as elite politicians. People especially apt at getting what they want.
Re:California jury says Bayer must pay $2B to couple in Roun... by rmrfrmrf on Tuesday May 14, 2019 @06:59AM (#19908400)
The billionaire class and the multinational conglomerates under their control.
Re:California jury says Bayer must pay $2B to couple in Roun... by mythrwy on Monday May 13, 2019 @11:36PM (#19906580)
Not sure why you are downvoted.

I disagree with the outcome of this case and leaving scientific decisions in the hands of people who may not have the cogitative skills to make the best assessments is an issue and would like see a solution. That being said, the moral hazards you point out do appear to be a much larger potential issue and I agree the risks of "expert panels" probably aren't worth it. We need some sort of redress to non biased citizens.

Perhaps civil trials with monetary rewards are a different matter than criminal trials though, not sure. Anyway, your point is good.