Re:Supreme Court rules antitrust lawsuit against Apple can p...
by luckylion on Monday May 13, 2019 @05:03PM
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Sure, that's unavoidable, but it's not the job definition. My point is that judges should never be guided by "how will some group/the majority/the elite/my children consider my decision now/in 5 years/in a century" but only by what they believe to be right at the moment of ruling. Otherwise, you're setting yourself up for arbitrary rulings to appease some future historian and create judges that try to rule to win popular support. "Polls say the majority wants the death penalty for petty theft? I better give them what they want"
Re:Supreme Court rules antitrust lawsuit against Apple can p...
by skybrian on Monday May 13, 2019 @06:41PM
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I'm not sure there is much of a distinction in practice between asking "how will history see this" and trying to do what's right? You don't get a magic ball to find out what will actually be popular. It's just a way of putting yourself in a state of mind to take a more long-term view of things.
Re:Supreme Court rules antitrust lawsuit against Apple can p...
by luckylion on Tuesday May 14, 2019 @01:09AM
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> I'm not sure there is much of a distinction in practice between asking "how will history see this" and trying to do what's right?
I didn't mean "what's right" as in "what I feel is right", but in's what the law says. The policies are for the politicians, trying to merge the judiciary and the legislative doesn't sound like such a great plan to me.
Re:Supreme Court rules antitrust lawsuit against Apple can p...
by skybrian on Tuesday May 14, 2019 @02:48AM
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Well, maybe read the part about filling in the details again. "What the law says" is often not clear. That's why it made it to an appeals court. In such situations, judges can't simply follow existing law. It just doesn't provide that guidance.
Re:Supreme Court rules antitrust lawsuit against Apple can p...
by luckylion on Tuesday May 14, 2019 @03:01AM
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And I totally agree with you on that, but that's not what "judge by thinking how good you'll look 50 years from now" is. Filling in the details is more "applying the spirit of the law to a particular case not explicitly covered", it's not about creating new de facto laws based on your personal (political) opinions.
Re:Supreme Court rules antitrust lawsuit against Apple can p...
by skybrian on Tuesday May 14, 2019 @02:25PM
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Where do you think the "spirit of the law" comes from and how does a judge apply it? It's by thinking about what others would expect. Whether it's about the past (original intent) or the future, this is an act of imagination (supported by research) where they are thinking about what others would want. There isn't any "view from nowhere".
If you don't care about what other people want and how the law affects people, then there is no morality or justice and it might as well be a coin flip.
It does have to be justified based on existing law and this is important. But often, existing law only talks about broad principles or is contradictory, and judges are expected to fill in the details. In the case of the U.S. Constitution, these "details" can be really huge gaps.