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Re:Mothers Are the Unsung Heroes of Prison by Digit-Al on Saturday May 11, 2019 @08:37AM (#19885845)
That depends on whether you view prison as a way of getting revenge on criminals or as a way of trying to reform them.

If you view prison as an agency of revenge on wrongdoers then, of course, life without parole for murderers makes perfect sense.

If, on the other hand, you view prison as a way of trying to reform wrongdoers and turn them into productive members of society then life without parole makes no sense at all.

Re:Mothers Are the Unsung Heroes of Prison by sokoloff on Saturday May 11, 2019 @08:49AM (#19885892)
There are at least two other possible reasons for prison: deterrence and ensuring that no further free persons are harmed.

The family might be interested in revenge. Society has an interest in all three other possible motivations, though probably not in revenge.

Re:Mothers Are the Unsung Heroes of Prison by chrisseaton on Saturday May 11, 2019 @09:11AM (#19885979)
Or the third option - to protect the public from future crimes by keeping the person away from the public.
Re:Mothers Are the Unsung Heroes of Prison by chongli on Saturday May 11, 2019 @08:54AM (#19885907)
view prison as a way of getting revenge on criminals or as a way of trying to reform them

This is the crux of the whole issue. The US is split between the two notions of justice: retribution and rehabilitation. The split seems to largely fall along political lines, which means the argument isn't likely to be settled any time soon.

I tend to fall in the rehabilitation camp but I can see some of the logic behind the other side. At the very least, I recognize that it's better for the state to apply measured retribution than for families to pronounce blood feuds upon one another. Beyond that, I'm at a loss for what to do about cold, psychopathic individuals who seem utterly incapable of reform.

Re:Mothers Are the Unsung Heroes of Prison by zeropnc on Saturday May 11, 2019 @09:17AM (#19886004)
Deterrence and retribution are different things. Prison systems with harsh sentences are typically more about sending a message to potential criminals than punishing existing ones.
Re:Mothers Are the Unsung Heroes of Prison by matwood on Saturday May 11, 2019 @08:45AM (#19885878)
The threat of life in prison can also be viewed as a deterrent. How long should a murderer get to be reformed? What is long enough so a person will not think that that amount of time is a good trade off to kill someone?

Someone can agree with both of your views depending on the crime. Physically harming another person, particularly irreparably is different than stealing something for example.

Re:Mothers Are the Unsung Heroes of Prison by Retra on Saturday May 11, 2019 @09:01AM (#19885944)
Murder is not something you rehabilitate against. I should not be able to murder people if I can just act real nice to get away with it.
Re:Mothers Are the Unsung Heroes of Prison by jodrellblank on Saturday May 11, 2019 @10:14AM (#19886269)
Why do you confuse "rehabilitation" with "acting"?

If a patient goes to a doctor and their wound heals, is that "acting healthy"?

You can make a case that we can't know if someone is rehabilitated, but if you think rehabilitation can be a thing, that necessarily includes being able to distinguish acting from genuine change.

Re:Mothers Are the Unsung Heroes of Prison by Retra on Wednesday May 15, 2019 @03:36PM (#19922940)
I don't believe you can distinguish the two, especially when someone takes a deliberate and motivated action which they can fully expect to land them in prison. (See: organized crime.)