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Re:Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019 by heavymark on Friday May 10, 2019 @09:19AM (#19877415)
This is why we invested in Apple Home, since that is the least likely to go away completely off all the options. Any Google service other than Gmail and Google Maps may come and go so while they offer amazing features at the cost of invading your privacy, there is no guarantee they will there in the long term.
Re:Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019 by DannyBee on Friday May 10, 2019 @09:53AM (#19877680)
Apple has cancelled plenty of things, it's just much better at erasing history and pretending those things never existed than the other companies.
Re:Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019 by tinus_hn on Friday May 10, 2019 @10:11AM (#19877848)
I suppose that’s why instead of showing examples you are making broad sweeping claims?
Re:Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019 by DannyBee on Friday May 10, 2019 @10:54AM (#19878331)
Airport stuff, Ping, Monster branded beats headphones, etc.

You can get support for mac/etc stuff for 5 years after purchase (which admittedly is nice). However, before you decide that is awesome, things like the headphones were killed with no support regardless of purchase date.

Apple also refuses to call anything it stopped manufacturing "canceled" at all.

It deliberately tries to message this part, calling them "vintage" until they have been "not manufactured" (IE canceled) for at least 7 years. They are then called "obsolete". This is messaging specifically used to try to confuse the issue, and is unfortunately likely effective.

See https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624

Apple doesn't turn down a lot of open API's because they never have them in the first place, which i'm not sure is better.

(They do turn down existing closed APIs, and not uncommonly by force - saying if you want to put your app on the store, you must use new version of API x)

Re:Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019 by freyr on Friday May 10, 2019 @02:05PM (#19880517)
Very weak examples.

Monster and Beats ended their partnership in 2012, and Apple didn't acquire Beats till 2014.

Airport had a long run, and even when discontinued, Apple offered to service Airport products for five years.

Yes, Ping got the axe, and my heart goes out to both of Ping's active users.

Re:Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019 by DannyBee on Sunday May 12, 2019 @06:08PM (#19894890)
"Monster and Beats ended their partnership in 2012, and Apple didn't acquire Beats till 2014.

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Oh well, did you remove everything on the list that Google shut down post-acquisition? No? Okay then.

"Yes, Ping got the axe, and my heart goes out to both of Ping's active users."

Would you change your tune if you discovered the canceled google products had less users than Ping?

Google isn't cancelling majority-user products either. If the whole point is not to hurt the minority, you are just showing you aren't willing to apply the same standards.

This whole comment feels that way - a strong inability to apply the same standards to two companies.

Re:Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019 by freyr on Sunday May 19, 2019 @03:50AM (#19952055)
Again, the Monster partnership ended pre-acquisition.

I’m not criticizing Google or defending Apple. I’m just saying, your examples weren’t very convincing. If that’s the worst of Apple’s product cancellations (including one claim which wasn’t even true), that’s way better than average.

Re:Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019 by tinus_hn on Saturday May 11, 2019 @05:09AM (#19885316)
So now it’s a sin to create a product and then stop manufacturing it? The only thing I would remotely agree with is Ping but that was a social network with user counts in the dozens.
Re:Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019 by chaostheory on Friday May 10, 2019 @01:04PM (#19879796)
Even if you count the iPod classic, that's not a lot of things Apple cancelled compared to Google.
Re:Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019 by DannyBee on Friday May 10, 2019 @01:27PM (#19880079)
Because they didn't try in the first place?
Re:Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019 by rbritton on Friday May 10, 2019 @10:34AM (#19878105)
Two examples are the Airport line of products and the iPods. While the iPod Touch is still made, nothing else is. That said, they still have received recent software updates, and I personally find Apple products more palatable than anything Google or Amazon.
Re:Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019 by reading-at-work on Friday May 10, 2019 @11:38AM (#19878760)
I don't think iPods are a good example. To my knowledge, if you still own an iPod it still works. They didn't release an update that bricks them all, they just stopped making new ones, which is a totally normal thing for a company to do.
Re:Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019 by boulos on Friday May 10, 2019 @10:21AM (#19877944)
Remember Ping? :).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITunes_Ping

Edit: on a more serious note, what if you loved PPC development? Apple went x86 and now you can’t develop there. It’s my main fear whenever there’s talk of them using their ARM cores for a new laptop and macOS.

To be clear, I think they pulled that transition off really well, and suspect they could do x86 => ARM better than anyone (closed ecosystem, tons of LLVM people). It would still mean they were deprecating and cancelling x86 though (presumably with a Rosetta-like translator for a while).

Re:Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019 by NikolaNovak on Friday May 10, 2019 @09:23AM (#19877440)
>> Any Google service other than Gmail and Google Maps may come and go

I felt Gmail was at _significant_ risk when Inbox was announced; result was unexpected.

Re:Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019 by dragonwriter on Friday May 10, 2019 @09:38AM (#19877549)
Inbox by Google was never a separate service it was an alternative front-end UI, so I don't see how it would indicate a risk to Gmail the service (which has had many UI changes over the years, including a clumsy and incomplete incorporation of Inbox features.)
Re:Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019 by NikolaNovak on Friday May 10, 2019 @01:43PM (#19880267)
I guess we had different perception - it happens :).

Understanding that underlying infra, when you go deep enough, may have been shared between Gmail & Inbox, same is much the case for all email services anywhere; it IS the front-end UI, and featured enabled by it, that by and large makes an email product.

Marketing at the time seemed to indicate and place Inbox as a separate product, and more than one note from Google hinted that it would replace Gmail. In hindsight it obviously didn't happen, but many of us thought it presented a significant risk to Gmail; just as recently people were looking for "Inbox alternatives" due to its demise, at the time we were searching for "Gmail alternatives" due to potential replacement by Inbox (which I think was a brilliant idea and potentially implementation - but I'm too much of a control freak to utilize:).

Re:Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019 by chaostheory on Friday May 10, 2019 @01:05PM (#19879811)
I always wished that Apple bought Nest instead of Google. It just made more sense. Of course this would never happen because of Apple politics, which was the reason Tony Faddell was forced out in the first place.
Re:Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019 by nutjob2 on Friday May 10, 2019 @09:30AM (#19877483)
Yeah, Apple has never cancelled a product.
Re:Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019 by jmontano on Friday May 10, 2019 @09:37AM (#19877538)
I think DIY is the best route. Considering change is inevitable, I guess the safest route is to start and lead that change yourself.

In the end we are all humans even companies like Apple are run by humans.

Re:Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019 by deadmutex on Friday May 10, 2019 @11:47AM (#19878869)
This isn't scalable though.

This is similar to running a wireless network for yourself vs your non-tech family members. For family members, it is easy to just get Google Wifi/Eero, and have good wifi through the home. For your own home, you _may_ consider running OpenWRT, and creating a bunch of VLANs, etc.