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Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by est31 on Friday May 10, 2019 @06:14AM (#19876480)
> charged, working smartphone

Not just that, you also have to install a proprietary piece of software onto the phone from a third party and accept their TOS.

> can provide other people with a pseudo-legitimate access to it

I think in the news story the smart locks were only installed on the front door not on the doors to the homes. If the landlord installed them on the doors for the homes as well, that would be very troubling indeed.

Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by bilbo0s on Friday May 10, 2019 @10:59AM (#19878391)
>and accept their TOS...

Money quote.

People aren't thinking ahead here about what this opens you up to with respect to privacy loss. Think about the permissions on your phone such an app could ask for in the future. Now consider that if you don't grant them, you could potentially not get into your apartment.

Smart locks are a cancer. We should cut them out early.

Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by JadeNB on Friday May 10, 2019 @01:16PM (#19879950)
> People aren't thinking ahead here about what this opens you up to with respect to privacy loss. Think about the permissions on your phone such an app could ask for in the future. Now consider that if you don't grant them, you could potentially not get into your apartment.

Forget the future: the TOS currently permit the collection of personal information for marketing, to which the company blandly responded, "we don't do that".

Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by dwyerm on Friday May 10, 2019 @11:57AM (#19878991)
Yeah, I and bet that TOS includes a mandatory binding arbitration and class-action waiver. When the lock fails who is going to be held responsible?
Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by thatoneuser on Friday May 10, 2019 @05:04PM (#19882219)
Def not the landlord or lock company.
Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by viraptor on Friday May 10, 2019 @08:35PM (#19883614)
> Smart locks are a cancer. We should cut them out early.

Baby with bathwater. Smart locks are useful. Bad implementations are bad. You can have one with both a normal key lock and a card which uses a standard RFID tag rather than a specific app. They're both convenient and failsafe.

Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by OrgNet on Friday May 10, 2019 @10:10AM (#19877847)
> charged, working smartphone

> Not just that, you also have to install a proprietary piece of software onto the phone from a third party and accept their TOS.

Also, the lock has to be charged at all times... is that the landlord's responsibility?

Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by checkyoursudo on Friday May 10, 2019 @06:08PM (#19882718)
Fail open, uhhhh

A burglar's dream.

Fail open and get your stuff jacked? Or fail closed and have to ingress/egress via the window (or worse)?

I can imagine smart locks with no secondary opening mechanism being installed in my old dormitories at school. People already locked each other in with the penny jamming trick. Imagine if you could do that either by disrupting the power supply or setting up a cell/wifi jammer?

Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by dictum on Friday May 10, 2019 @06:32AM (#19876554)
Which then pings Facebook/Google/some other third party about your activity.