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Re:Deadly stupidity during Aeroflot flight 1492 emergency ev... by arcticbull on Friday May 10, 2019 @03:21AM (#19875783)
Anyone getting off the plane with a carry-on should be charged with negligent homicide or similar. 55 seconds vs 45 vs 35 could be the different between 40 dead and 42 or 44. One life matters, your laptop does not. Only one of these things can be restored from iCloud. Leave. Your. Bags. On. The. Plane. This apologism has to stop. Other than that very little you said is disrupted by the author — they themselves point out it’d be very unlikely the fire started in the air. They are a pilot after all.

To your own point anyone who stops and grabs carry-on from the overhead bins while the cabin is filling with smoke and anyone past row 12 is passed out is criminally stupid. I don’t care if it took 55 seconds or 12, it’s not okay.

How thrilled would you be if your grandmother died because someone couldn’t leave their laptop aboard?

Re:Deadly stupidity during Aeroflot flight 1492 emergency ev... by neuronic on Friday May 10, 2019 @04:44AM (#19876140)
Should they?

There is evidence in psychology studies about human reaction to catastrophes such as this. People often default to habitual behavior, possibly because active decision making may be "disabled" as responsible regions of the brain get overwhelmed.

It reaches an extent where people are entirely incapable of unbuckling their seatbelts because a more common and therefore default mechanism for unbuckling is the one you would use in your car. And that works entirely different from the ones in planes.

https://consumerist.com/2016/07/12/why-are-there-seatbelt-de...

Re:Deadly stupidity during Aeroflot flight 1492 emergency ev... by ufmace on Friday May 10, 2019 @01:28PM (#19880099)
This is more the truth IMO. They aren't consciously being jerks because they don't have time to have those kinds of thoughts. Which means that throwing criminal charges around months later won't help anything. The only way to change such behavior would be for people to practice serious everything's-on-fire drop-everything-and-run-NOW evacuations regularly. I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

Okay, maybe having a short preflight safety briefing that people would actually pay attention to and that told people that would help. Or maybe just scare the crap out of everyone.

Re:Deadly stupidity during Aeroflot flight 1492 emergency ev... by bambax on Friday May 10, 2019 @04:00PM (#19881683)
Really? What about people paking in handicapped space? Is this because they don't have time to think clearly, or is it because they only carr about themselves? Why would people be different when exiting a plane, as when shopping?
Re:Deadly stupidity during Aeroflot flight 1492 emergency ev... by ufmace on Friday May 10, 2019 @05:46PM (#19882549)
Uhh that has absolutely nothing to do with this situation. What's the point in bringing it up?

My point is that people in unfamiliar situations, particularly stressful and panicked ones, tend to stop thinking and revert to familiar behaviors. For most people, that's gathering their stuff before leaving. Their behavior will never change based on legal penalties applied months later. To get them to behave differently, they have to practice the different behavior beforehand.

Parking is a normal, common activity with no reasonable expectation of panic or stress. People have plenty of time to think about what they're doing. That's why legal penalties are an effective deterrent. I have no idea what would lead you to believe that the situations are comparable.

Re:Deadly stupidity during Aeroflot flight 1492 emergency ev... by crooked-v on Friday May 10, 2019 @04:10PM (#19881745)
When shopping, you're not in a smoke-filled tube with alarms blaring while people shout at you.
Re:Deadly stupidity during Aeroflot flight 1492 emergency ev... by bambax on Friday May 10, 2019 @05:19PM (#19882354)
My point exactly. It's not terror that's the problem. It's people.
Re:Deadly stupidity during Aeroflot flight 1492 emergency ev... by crooked-v on Friday May 10, 2019 @06:20PM (#19882815)
My post doesn't support your point at all, and is in fact entirely about the terror inherent in one situation and not the other.
Re:Deadly stupidity during Aeroflot flight 1492 emergency ev... by bambax on Saturday May 11, 2019 @02:59AM (#19884983)
But why would people behave better when under extreme stress vs. under zero stress.
Re:Deadly stupidity during Aeroflot flight 1492 emergency ev... by FabHK on Friday May 10, 2019 @07:35AM (#19876802)
Yeah, they should be charged. The psychological studies you cite could then be entered by the defence and taken into account by the judge.
Re:Deadly stupidity during Aeroflot flight 1492 emergency ev... by evilolive on Friday May 10, 2019 @12:52PM (#19879646)
I'm reading this comment and I'm thinking : you're absolutely right, they should be!

Yet. I have been in plane on fire and I did grab my backpack.. I didn't really act consciously, and somehow I had rationalized the order "everyone, get out now!" as some kind of random evacuation exercises. (European in my teens back then and one of my first flights)

Re:Deadly stupidity during Aeroflot flight 1492 emergency ev... by UnFleshedOne on Friday May 10, 2019 @05:34PM (#19882465)
But maybe a few public court cases (even if everybody was acquitted in the end) would cause some people to remember not to grab the bags in the next accident.

Maybe instead of pointless court cases, lots of publicity about correct behavior for the same effect.

Re:Deadly stupidity during Aeroflot flight 1492 emergency ev... by Xcelerate on Friday May 10, 2019 @04:17PM (#19881816)
> Yet. I have been in plane on fire

Commercial? What happened?

Re:Deadly stupidity during Aeroflot flight 1492 emergency ev... by dsfyu404ed on Friday May 10, 2019 @12:45PM (#19879564)
>Should they?

Probably not for the reasons you mentioned.

That doesn't mean it's not a damn good thing to say if you want to be popular on the internet. Hard-line opinions about Bad Things(TM) always win virtue points regardless of whether or not those opinions are well informed.

Re:Deadly stupidity during Aeroflot flight 1492 emergency ev... by ryanmarsh on Friday May 10, 2019 @12:38PM (#19879475)
It would be terribly difficult for the prosecutor to prove that "but for" the actions of the defendant another person died.

Secondly, I find it hard to believe that anyone who has had to act in moments as extreme as this would have such a harsh view of others who had never been in such a situation.

I spent a good portion of my adult life in extreme situations and I can tell you people do not operate with their conscious minds. They do not really "make choices", things just happen. This is why training is so important for people who might encounter extreme situations.

Please be more gracious to these people.

Re:Deadly stupidity during Aeroflot flight 1492 emergency ev... by weaksauce on Friday May 10, 2019 @03:06PM (#19881158)
The fire started on the ground.
Re:Deadly stupidity during Aeroflot flight 1492 emergency ev... by biql on Friday May 10, 2019 @01:46PM (#19880308)
It's worth noting that the reason many people take their baggage with them is because airlines often can't be trusted to handle it. Bags get lost, damaged, delayed on reclaim, etc, and they charge extra.

If those problems were solved, airlines could forbid taking anything with you to the cabin with other passengers and evacuation would be easier.

Re:Deadly stupidity during Aeroflot flight 1492 emergency ev... by mullen on Friday May 10, 2019 @03:32PM (#19881427)
If a airplane crashes, all of the baggage is confiscated whether you took it off the plane or not.

Do you really think that something happens to bring down a plane and they just let the people who took their baggage off the plane during the emergency to just go home with their baggage? I can't believe this has to be explained to anyone.

Re:Deadly stupidity during Aeroflot flight 1492 emergency ev... by crooked-v on Friday May 10, 2019 @03:42PM (#19881534)
The post you're responding to is talking about the general case of non-emergency travel situations, which would if less poorly handled by airlines, allow for fewer complications in the specific case of emergencies.
Re:Deadly stupidity during Aeroflot flight 1492 emergency ev... by bipson on Friday May 10, 2019 @02:41PM (#19880872)
Because any of the mentioned problems matter in the case of an emergency where people's lives are in danger.