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Re:Uber prices blockbuster IPO conservatively to raise $8.1B by asdf21 on Thursday May 09, 2019 @06:08PM (#19872931)
I would, but them being successful at autonomous driving is already priced in, at least to some extent.

Do you think Tesla stock is currently undervalued, assuming they will become a leader in autonomous driving within the next five years?

Re:Uber prices blockbuster IPO conservatively to raise $8.1B by kjksf on Thursday May 09, 2019 @06:44PM (#19873185)
Waymo valuation is estimated at somewhere between $80 to $175 billion (https://www.pymnts.com/news/investment-tracker/2019/funding-...).

Tesla is currently at under $50 billion.

Currrently the markets seem to value Tesla's self-driving technology at about $0.

I happen to think that Tesla has about the same chances of winning self-driving as Waymo, so it should be valued, today, at least $80 billion + whatever the value of car and energy business is (let's say $30 billion).

And those are valuation today, when neither company has demonstrated a working product.

When they actually start a robotaxi service, even in very limited way, the valuation will skyrocket because the consensus is that this is a market that favors natural oligopoloy (2-3 national providers) and the revenue potential is in hundreds of billions, which would lead, eventually, to a trillion-size valuation.

Re:Uber prices blockbuster IPO conservatively to raise $8.1B by reitzensteinm on Thursday May 09, 2019 @06:56PM (#19873288)
Tesla has a market cap of $42bn, so an EV of under $60bn. If you believe Tesla will be the first to market with their autonomy network, it's hard to see that as anything other than a bargain. They'd potentially bankrupt Uber if they're still paying for drivers while attempting to catch up.

It would be a hell of a moat; anyone who wants to compete has to burn a ton of cash to develop autonomy and buy a massive fleet.

I don't think the market has priced it in; I think it has pretty much disregarded Tesla's claim of leadership.

Re:Uber prices blockbuster IPO conservatively to raise $8.1B by manacit on Thursday May 09, 2019 @06:12PM (#19872958)
It's not obvious to me that Uber stock is not also priced for a future where autonomous driving solves a lot of their current problems, do you disagree?