Especially given we used to have Meetups at the office every Thursday night, where at least 1 new Orchestration project was launched/demoed every week.

The initial project the team worked on was called Beam. After about 6 months and no progress to show, the conversations referenced above happened and this is the result..

Kubernetes launched at the first DockerCon[1], early 2014. Swarm was launched[2] in beta in Dec 2014.

So, roughly 1 year late to market, 6 months after initial K8 launch.

1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrxnVKZeqK8

2: https://blog.docker.com/2014/12/announcing-docker-machine-sw...

I still rather like some of the output beam (libchan), just that GRPC came along and it's all history now.

But yes agreed this was all completely frustrating at the time, and completely depressing now.

This developer, Gerhard Lazu, states otherwise regarding Kubernetes as he describes the infrastructure that he built for changelog.com based on Docker Swarm rather than K8s: https://changelog.com/podcast/254