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Re:Steve Singh stepping down as Docker CEO by shawabawa3 on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @12:41PM (#19860561)
> they could have licensed an enterprise version of the engine and taken a commission on every server in existence

Sounds like a great way to kill docker completely

Re:Steve Singh stepping down as Docker CEO by zwischenzug on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @02:31PM (#19861607)
They tried that when I worked for an $enterprise. But refused to support any RedHat-based images running on their engine. They also refused to license any of their products separately, seeming desperate to get a tax on any server on which Docker ran.

Neither of these went down well. RedHat had that market sewn up, and swatted Docker away like an irritating fly.

Re:Steve Singh stepping down as Docker CEO by adictator on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @05:05PM (#19862926)
> But refused to support any RedHat-based images running on their engine.

You seem to have gotten that mixed. It was RedHat that refused to support anything (including their RHEL based images) on the docker platform unless it was run on the Red Hat's franken docker. It was RedHat that chose to not play fair, not Docker.

Re:Steve Singh stepping down as Docker CEO by gopalv on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @02:08PM (#19861415)
> Sounds like a great way to kill docker completely

For a good open source ecosystem, a commission isn't like rent, it is more like taxes.

There's a balance point where paying someone else to debug and ship fixes for your problems approximates Adam Smith's pin factory.

The value part of an enterprise open source system is in turning around fixes fast and debugging on behalf of a customer.

>> taken a commission on every server in existence

As someone who's worked with Rob before, he gets it that you can't really squeeze money out by force.

However, there'll be enough people who pay you to air-drop committers on inexplicable problems & otherwise mostly pay them well to do what they already like doing - ship open source to the community.

Re:Steve Singh stepping down as Docker CEO by benjaminwootton on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @12:52PM (#19860704)
Again I refer you to RHEL who have an open source version and an enterprise subscription. The Docker Engine taking a similar route rather than building another PaaS and bumping heads with Kubernetes seems an altogether more differentiated and defensible business model.
Re:Steve Singh stepping down as Docker CEO by danieldk on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @01:57PM (#19861326)
Again I refer you to RHEL who have an open source version and an enterprise subscription.

But the enterprise version is the open source version. Red Hat just didn't provide the binaries, now they even provide the binaries (since they acquired CentOS). Since White Box Linux, CentOS, and Scientific were started (which was pretty quickly after they launched enterprise Linux), they have been selling per-machine support and 'blame us when it does not work' licenses.

A similar approach may have worked, but it is not a given. Red Hat and SUSE arrived on the market when there we no big open source support companies. Once containerization turned out to be a good idea, the other open source companies could quickly adopt and provide support contracts for the same tech (which they have done).

Re:Steve Singh stepping down as Docker CEO by BossingAround on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @03:49PM (#19862231)
Red Hat and CentOS don't have any official relationship. It's CoreOS you're referring to. RHEL's binaries may be available for some SW, but license-wise cannot be used for production workloads unless explicitly stated.

CentOS can be used for whatever you wish, but that's not a RH binary of course.

Re:Steve Singh stepping down as Docker CEO by zaat on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @05:17PM (#19863058)
Totally official relationships: https://community.redhat.com/centos-faq/
Re:Steve Singh stepping down as Docker CEO by BossingAround on Thursday May 09, 2019 @02:42AM (#19865939)
So, it depends a lot what you consider an 'official relationship'. You cannot pay and be supported on CentOS. If you talk to Red Hat and you say 'we have CentOS running', the first thing they'll talk to you about is how do you migrate to RHEL, because no officially-supported products from RH run on CentOS.

That said, it is in RH's best interest to have a free version of RHEL that customers can try out and migrate their workloads to, precisely because it's easy to migrate them to RHEL. So yes, in that sense, there's some relationship.

You're correct though that there's a lot more relationship than I previously thought. Thanks for the link! I'll update my knowledge :).

Re:Steve Singh stepping down as Docker CEO by GordonS on Thursday May 09, 2019 @02:58AM (#19866002)
I was going to say much the same thing. The only reason Docker got so popular outside of Enterprise is because there were no cost barriers - and the reason it became popular inside of Enterprise is because it had become so popular outside of it.

I'm sure Docker did miss an opportunity to reap profits, but I really don't think there's as easy answer as to how they might have done that.