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Re:Two senators say a $5B fine isn’t enough to punish Facebook by RcouF1uZ4gsC on Tuesday May 07, 2019 @12:59PM (#19851267)
>While the Republicans could push through a relatively lenient offer along partisan lines, doing so could come with heavy political costs for the agency, since it would expose them to attacks that the Republican majority is soft on misbehaving technology companies.

One thing that has changed recently in politics is that a significant portion of Republican base now considers Silicon Valley tech companies as foes. I would guess that there would actually be a lot of grassroots support for a massive fine on Facebook.

In the past, tech companies could assume that the Republican affinity for big business would shield them. Now that has gone.

Re:Two senators say a $5B fine isn’t enough to punish Facebook by r00fus on Tuesday May 07, 2019 @02:55PM (#19852329)
Politicians only care about a) their funders and b) fear of the voters. When it comes to a choice between those two, they'll chose (a) every time.

Follow the money almost always works for politicians. There are precious few exceptions.

Re:Two senators say a $5B fine isn’t enough to punish Facebook by Maxamillion96 on Tuesday May 07, 2019 @02:17PM (#19852013)
If you look at conservative opinion formers, like Tucker Carlson, they're talking about breaking up major firms and so on. I think the ideology that was pro-oligarchy died on both the left and right in 2008, and only the most diehard centrists are believers in it
Re:Two senators say a $5B fine isn’t enough to punish Facebook by spamizbad on Tuesday May 07, 2019 @02:41PM (#19852217)
Some of it also has to do with the demographics of their audience. Fox news viewers skew older[1] (65, 66 for primetime) and likely are more skeptical of technology.

There's also some "working the refs" at play here, where there's conspiracy theories swirling that conservative content gets suppressed and prominent conservative voices are "shadow-banned." There's even a grassroots effort to get popular social media sites declared the "public commons" to prevent technology companies from removing content, but that's A) likely a pipedream B) Assuming it could hold up in court, would ultimately be a massive boon to the left as it would strike a decisive legal blow against the notion of "corporate personhood" and agency of private industry. A free-marketer's footgun, if you will.

[1] https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/heres-the-median-age-of-the-...

Re:Two senators say a $5B fine isn’t enough to punish Facebook by Maxamillion96 on Tuesday May 07, 2019 @02:52PM (#19852305)
There’s always been conservative skepticism towards economic liberalism, like Bismarck and Theodore Roosevelt.
Re:Two senators say a $5B fine isn’t enough to punish Facebook by spamizbad on Tuesday May 07, 2019 @03:09PM (#19852449)
Historically, that's certainly true. But I'm not sure if modern conservatism has fully acknowledged their own ideological conflicts with free markets. It's all anecdotal, but talking to conservatives about these issues they often will say technology companies are cheating, employing anti-competitive practices, or even breaking the law and that such restrictions aren't changing market dynamics but simply punishing a few bad actors.
Re:Two senators say a $5B fine isn’t enough to punish Facebook by save_ferris on Tuesday May 07, 2019 @02:21PM (#19852052)
Really? That really surprises me given the free market arguments that he and others bring. Do you happen to have a specific example of him arguing this?
Re:Two senators say a $5B fine isn’t enough to punish Facebook by defen on Tuesday May 07, 2019 @03:39PM (#19852741)
The idea is that the large tech companies are overwhelmingly staffed and lead by people who qualify as the political left by American standards. As Breitbart said, "Politics is downstream from culture." - so if you have the most important communications platforms the world has ever seen all privately owned and operated by "the left", that sounds like a bad thing if you're on "the right", because they can shape discourse however they want - either overtly by banning people for bad politics or covertly by shadowbanning and otherwise muting popular voices with undesirable opinions. Imagine if Google/Facebook/Twitter were owned by the Koch brothers and staffed by members of the Federalist Society and Heritage Foundation - people on the left would be doing the same thing Tucker Carlson is doing.
Re:Two senators say a $5B fine isn’t enough to punish Facebook by Maxamillion96 on Tuesday May 07, 2019 @04:08PM (#19852980)
>The idea is that the large tech companies are overwhelmingly staffed and lead by people who qualify as the political left by American standards.

they're certainly left of fox news, though i wouldn't call fox news "leftist"

Re:Two senators say a $5B fine isn’t enough to punish Facebook by ceejayoz on Tuesday May 07, 2019 @02:22PM (#19852059)
> That really surprises me given the free market arguments that he and others bring.

Tucker Carlson holding inconsistent positions shouldn't be the slightest bit surprising.

https://dailycaller.com/2018/09/11/not-the-capitalism-i-sign...

> “So that’s the crux of it right there,” said Tucker. “You are hearing Google, or you have for the past ten years, Google, Facebook and a number of other companies defended on pro-market grounds,” Tucker said before making the point that a “monopoly changes the calculation completely.”

Re:Two senators say a $5B fine isn’t enough to punish Facebook by luckydata on Tuesday May 07, 2019 @03:46PM (#19852802)
they only believe in free market as far as it benefits their corporate sponsors and private interests. As soon as it helps people that are not them (or look like them) they change their tune instantly.

They are hypocrites.

Re:Two senators say a $5B fine isn’t enough to punish Facebook by pteredactyl on Tuesday May 07, 2019 @04:04PM (#19852954)
I agree only as far as those entrenched in Washington DC.

But would argue 'grassroots' conservatism believes state favored corporations, regardless of ideology, are anti free market.

Re:Two senators say a $5B fine isn’t enough to punish Facebook by Applejinx on Tuesday May 07, 2019 @02:11PM (#19851950)
>a significant portion of Republican base now considers Silicon Valley tech companies as foes

Which is hilarious, as Facebook at least is happy to take Russian money to aid Republicans. Silicon Valley is party-less, stateless. They serve only money, nothing else.

Re:Two senators say a $5B fine isn’t enough to punish Facebook by commandlinefan on Tuesday May 07, 2019 @02:34PM (#19852169)
> party-less

I think that’s a stretch. Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, Jack Dorsey (Twitter), Mark Benioff (Salesforce), Tim Cook and Reed Hastings (Netflix) have all come out as rabidly pro-Democrat and have in many cases admitted to adjusting their platforms to shift public sentiment in favor of liberal politicians and liberal political causes.

Re:Two senators say a $5B fine isn’t enough to punish Facebook by Implicated on Tuesday May 07, 2019 @02:57PM (#19852351)
> and have in many cases admitted to adjusting their platforms to shift public sentiment in favor of liberal politicians and liberal political causes.

Can you cite some sources on this? I'm curious as to how these admissions came about.

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Re:Two senators say a $5B fine isn’t enough to punish Facebook by Avshalom on Tuesday May 07, 2019 @06:28PM (#19854021)
If they're doing it they aren't 'open' about it unless you think there's no difference whatever Alex Jones or Richard Spencer are and conservatives.