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Re:What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense? by jvanderbot on Saturday May 04, 2019 @05:40PM (#19829554)
Having dealt with some of these systems, let me tell you up front, its entirely possible it's nothing. I've seen tracks like those suggested in the article pass directly overhead support vessels during maneuvers, and theres nothing there. It can happen a few times a day or even hour, and just means your sensor fusion is a bit janky.

tfa: "This, in turn, provides very high fidelity 'tracks' of targets thanks to telemetry from various sensors operating at different bands and looking at the same target from different aspects and at different ranges."

My take from last article: Let me tell you: fast tracks moving at insane speeds with sometimes-faint signatures are the norm. a perfectly calm sea, esp near shore, can create 100s or a 1000 spurious tracks if automated tools are trusted. The incorrect association of signatures to hypothesized contacts can produce "jumps" in their location, altitude that makes it look like inhuman maneuverability.

Second, the proliferation of small aircraft does bias operators (and algorithms) to assume a real contact from small signatures, esp at low altitudes where noise is greatest.

In a well integrated, multi-vehilce sensor network, a small false positive rate for each individual recognition and classication module produces enough bullshit to trick automated trackers into labelling targets. If we cant assume common sense filtering like "aircraft cant go from hover to mach 3 in one sweep", then the possible associations of sensor data to hypotheses is astronomical, and bullshit propegates.

Its a mess when you integrate so many sensors and systems and try to make sense of the resulting noise.

Re:What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense? by runjake on Saturday May 04, 2019 @05:52PM (#19829621)
If you watch the videos in the article interviewing crew members, they express great doube that these were sensor anomalies. They mention replacing equipment, doing several re-calibrations, and that the detections were multi-spectral and even corroborated on separate craft and sensor packages.

I'm a former military avionics dude who worked on systems like this, including "black" stuff. I don't believe in extraterrestrials having visited Earth.

Their explanations sound pretty on-target and baffling.

But anyway, they address the concerns you bring up rather well.

Re:What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense? by ianai on Saturday May 04, 2019 @06:44PM (#19829860)
Do you think they’re actual anomalies? Ie something actually there that isn’t explainable.
Re:What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense? by runjake on Saturday May 04, 2019 @07:02PM (#19829934)
I do think something was there on those occasions and that it was not an anomaly. Again, because this was viewed multi-spectrally (visual, FLIR, video, radar) across multiple vessels.

I’d need to witness it myself to form any stronger opinions. I do believe the crew people being interviewed are stating what happened to the best of their knowledge.

Re:What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense? by shadowprofile76 on Thursday May 09, 2019 @07:42AM (#19867269)
You meant to say that it was not a sensor anomaly no?, in other words that it could have been an actual anomaly (because they were viewed multi-spectrally) as the other commentator asked? Genuinely curious.
Re:What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense? by jvanderbot on Saturday May 04, 2019 @08:00PM (#19830200)
Fair enough. I definitely can't comment from an aviators perspective, just that I'm not suprised if system anomalies propegate wrong. Obviously a lot of folks are taking it seriously.
Re:What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense? by runjake on Sunday May 05, 2019 @12:20AM (#19831133)
And to be clear, anomalies do occur -- maybe even frequently.

I've seen all sorts of odd stuff on radar that did not actually exist and was some atmospheric backscatter issue or whatever.

Is this case, based on the public information as presented, there is too much correlating data from disparate systems to write it off.

Re:What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense? by edoo on Saturday May 04, 2019 @08:01PM (#19830206)
Well they sent up aircraft to check out the tracks and got video of an unidentified object.
Re:What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense? by Evidlo on Saturday May 04, 2019 @09:35PM (#19830544)
This comment seems familiar...