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Re:Mark Zuckerberg Wants to Build WeChat for the West by _august on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:29PM (#19820979)
This is why I'm glad Google is supporting RCS [1] to improve our outdated SMS system. Many of the reasons I use these chat apps (and I think my friends as well) are having a responsive and modern chat system.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services

Re:Mark Zuckerberg Wants to Build WeChat for the West by JohnFen on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:31PM (#19820996)
Personally, I am very much not on board with RCS at all. But if I had to choose between RCS SMS and anything by Facebook et al, I'd learn to tolerate RCS.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg Wants to Build WeChat for the West by _august on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:37PM (#19821054)
Because of a lack of end-to-end encryption? I'm still trying to wrap my head around it, but it uses TLS, so I'm not sure of the differences.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg Wants to Build WeChat for the West by fabrice_d on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:52PM (#19821191)
The difference is that with e2e encryption the carriers don't see your plaintext, while they do with TLS since they terminate the TLS connection on their end.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg Wants to Build WeChat for the West by CarriersSuck on Friday May 03, 2019 @04:17PM (#19821877)
If RCS is a standard what's stopping someone from writing an app that encrypts your plaintext? Sure, it'll leak meta data, but at least the actual plaintext is encrypted.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg Wants to Build WeChat for the West by fabrice_d on Friday May 03, 2019 @09:55PM (#19823802)
Nothing, but you need all your contacts to use a compatible client. I really hope something like https://messaginglayersecurity.rocks/ takes off and that we end up with good e2e interop without having to rely on a single vendor.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg Wants to Build WeChat for the West by buzzerbetrayed on Friday May 03, 2019 @04:54PM (#19822175)
Couldn’t you just do the same thing with sms today?
Re:Mark Zuckerberg Wants to Build WeChat for the West by parliament32 on Friday May 03, 2019 @05:33PM (#19822489)
Already done ~10 years ago, it was TextSecure, the predecessor to Signal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TextSecure

Re:Mark Zuckerberg Wants to Build WeChat for the West by JohnFen on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:44PM (#19821121)
No, because of the added complexity and the introduction of the need to be more on-guard about it (because of things like addressbook discoverability and so forth). One of the main things that I like about SMS is that it's a simple, no-nonsense text-based service. If it were to resemble the various chat services that are out there, it would make it less useful and appealing to me.

However, as I said, this wouldn't be a dealbreaker. I wouldn't like using it as much, but it would still be better than nothing.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg Wants to Build WeChat for the West by frosted-flakes on Friday May 03, 2019 @05:12PM (#19822316)
Don't forget "universal". Everyone has SMS, so it's the fallback to everything else.

Also, it works without a data connection.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg Wants to Build WeChat for the West by parliament32 on Friday May 03, 2019 @05:37PM (#19822519)
The longest lived and most used services are always federated and have open standards, like SMS and email. Like you say, everyone has SMS and everyone has email, so they're the defacto standards for communicating with people you're not quite familiar with.

This is why FB chat, whatsapp, etc will never gain the traction that these services do -- putting time and effort into making them work is just a fool's errand until they open up the network to third party clients and make the specs an open standard.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg Wants to Build WeChat for the West by tapoxi on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:43PM (#19821108)
Will Apple actually implement RCS though? iMessage is a selling point for iPhones.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg Wants to Build WeChat for the West by saghm on Friday May 03, 2019 @03:24PM (#19821447)
If Apple added RCS support into iMessage, I'm guessing it wouldn't hurt their sales too much.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg Wants to Build WeChat for the West by CarriersSuck on Friday May 03, 2019 @04:18PM (#19821888)
Exactly. There should not be a reason I can see that they can't incorporate it like they've done with SMS.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg Wants to Build WeChat for the West by tantalor on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:46PM (#19821132)
Is it though?
Re:Mark Zuckerberg Wants to Build WeChat for the West by chess_buster on Friday May 03, 2019 @03:24PM (#19821445)
Yes.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg Wants to Build WeChat for the West by ungzd on Friday May 03, 2019 @03:08PM (#19821313)
What are key differences of RCS from MMS?
Re:Mark Zuckerberg Wants to Build WeChat for the West by JohnFen on Friday May 03, 2019 @05:43PM (#19822561)