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Re:Housing Can’t Be Both Affordable and a Good Investment (2... by bobthepanda on Wednesday May 01, 2019 @11:22PM (#19804358)
Homeowners aren't necessarily satisfied with that though, and they have voting power. Prop 13 is basically a voter-approved way of guaranteeing the upside of stratospheric rises in property value without reaping any of the downside (increased tax reflecting said skyrocketing property value).
Re:Housing Can’t Be Both Affordable and a Good Investment (2... by aey on Thursday May 02, 2019 @01:50AM (#19805104)
Prices go up because demand is higher than supply. No other reason.

If cities doubled the number of houses built any year the average price went up by 5% or more, this wouldn’t be a problem.

The tax rate could even be negative.

Re:Housing Can’t Be Both Affordable and a Good Investment (2... by bobthepanda on Thursday May 02, 2019 @02:48PM (#19811208)
And voters put people in power who restrict supply and thus guarantee profits for homeowners.

With how small polities are in the Bay Area this leads this to everyone pushing the burden onto someone else. With a large enough polity responsible for zoning (e.g. New York City's five boroughs) the pressure to add housing becomes too large to completely ignore.

Re:Housing Can’t Be Both Affordable and a Good Investment (2... by alasdair_ on Thursday May 02, 2019 @02:21AM (#19805231)
>Prices go up because demand is higher than supply. No other reason.

If the government mandates that the price of something is X, and X is higher than the price is now, prices go up.

Also, remember than nominal price and economic price are distinct. “Price” needs to include all tax subsidies and other incentives/ dicincentives.

Re:Housing Can’t Be Both Affordable and a Good Investment (2... by aey on Thursday May 02, 2019 @11:04AM (#19808618)
No they don’t. See the USSR, real prices were completely removed from what the government set. If SF set the price of a house to 100k, people would just bribe each other the difference.
Re:Housing Can’t Be Both Affordable and a Good Investment (2... by seanp2k2 on Thursday May 02, 2019 @04:39AM (#19805895)
I came up with a clever solution to the Prop 13 problem: tax the sale of that property with all of the previous savings if they ever sell it for a profit. So sure, you can stay in the house you grew up in, but if you're thinking you can get that million+ dollar pay-day because the land under your tear-down is now worth a boat load...

It might make it sting a bit less buying a single-family home in San Jose for 1.5mil and knowing that you're paying 10x the tax of your next-door neighbors.

Re:Housing Can’t Be Both Affordable and a Good Investment (2... by bobthepanda on Thursday May 02, 2019 @02:50PM (#19811225)
This would just trap people in their homes and exacerbate supply problems. Empty nesters would face a huge tax bill for vacating their home even if they sold and went to another state, so they might stay in a house that is way oversized for their current needs and take it away from someone else.
Re:Housing Can’t Be Both Affordable and a Good Investment (2... by snowwrestler on Wednesday May 01, 2019 @11:54PM (#19804550)
I agree with you. I think articles like this one contribute to the problem by perpetuating a false sense of what housing prices should do to be a "good investment."
Re:Housing Can’t Be Both Affordable and a Good Investment (2... by masonic on Thursday May 02, 2019 @03:11AM (#19805508)
Homeowners have no more "voting power" than renters.
Re:Housing Can’t Be Both Affordable and a Good Investment (2... by bobthepanda on Thursday May 02, 2019 @02:44PM (#19811156)
Homeownership is generally more correlated with wealth and financial security, which is more correlated with political involvement and having the time and the money to do so.

Short of massively expanding the poor's ability to vote (making Election Day a holiday, putting it on a weekend, mail-in voting) this holds true in American elections.

Re:Housing Can’t Be Both Affordable and a Good Investment (2... by azeotropic on Thursday May 02, 2019 @06:31AM (#19806395)
True. Although since they are literally more invested in their community, they tend to be more tenacious about it.
Re:Housing Can’t Be Both Affordable and a Good Investment (2... by dillonmckay on Thursday May 02, 2019 @07:01AM (#19806572)
I have observed the opposite. Slum lord owns over 50 rental properties, but does not live in the city, and tenants are registered voters of the municipality.

My anecdote for the morning.

Re:Housing Can’t Be Both Affordable and a Good Investment (2... by azeotropic on Thursday May 02, 2019 @01:22PM (#19810210)
I wouldn't normally think of absentee landlords as the central example of a homeowner. Where do you live that the majority of housing units are owned by absentee landlords?
Re:Housing Can’t Be Both Affordable and a Good Investment (2... by dillonmckay on Thursday May 02, 2019 @04:39PM (#19812623)
Rural incorporated city with a population of less than 5,000.