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Re:Estimated cost of 2028 Los Angeles Olympics jumps to $6.9B by dmos62 on Wednesday May 01, 2019 @12:18PM (#19798590)
This comment might be snarky, but it does sum up my concerns pretty accurately. I would like to hear a veritable answer to it.
Re:Estimated cost of 2028 Los Angeles Olympics jumps to $6.9B by Rebelgecko on Wednesday May 01, 2019 @12:31PM (#19798788)
NASA doesn't make $2.5 billion a year from sponsors and ads like the Olympics is planning to. They're not even allowed to.

Brindenstine has talked about having corporations sponsor missions before (e.g. the Doritos® ISS Crew Resupply Mission or the Mars Candy Company Rover). However there hasn't been much movement on that front, and I doubt that NASA's sponsorships would be as profitable. Imagine if IBM sponsors a rocket that self destructs after a computer glitch— it would be awkward for them and not good marketing for Watson.

The Olympics are also planning on making a billion dollars or so from ticket sales. I think NASA charges $50 or so for tickets to watch a launch at the cape. At the Olympics, some tickets may be that cheap or cheaper (e.g. the Slovenia vs South Sudan handball match, no offense to either of those countries). However tickets for more popular events like the opening ceremonies are going to exceed $1000.

The Olympics also has more events within a single year than NASA. There may be a few dozen launches a year, and they're hard to sell tickets for since most launch attempts get scrubbed/rescheduled at least once and they're not always in accessible locations. Meanwhile, the Olympics will have hundreds of events and you can be reasonably confident that they will happen on the same day that's on your ticket.

Re:Estimated cost of 2028 Los Angeles Olympics jumps to $6.9B by tastygreenapple on Wednesday May 01, 2019 @06:56PM (#19802499)
I think you've just explained why the olympics has a better business model than a Government agency that's charged with atmospheric research and space exploration, however, the parent comment is about how it seems like a waste to put effort into the olympics that could be invested in expanding the frontiers of our knowledge.
Re:Estimated cost of 2028 Los Angeles Olympics jumps to $6.9B by adventured on Wednesday May 01, 2019 @12:39PM (#19798889)
I believe the Olympics every four years are more important for humanity than the existence of NASA. I also think we could be doing the Olympics for cheaper than ~$20b every four years.

We're not leaving this planet for a long time yet. Even if we do, it's not desirable to abandon Earth, it's vastly superior to all other practical options we have. We're going to have to continue to try to co-exist and avoid any further world wars. $4b or $5b per year for a large gathering of the sort the Olympics represents, is dirt cheap if it lends even a tiny boost to global peace between nations.

Keeping in mind this isn't actually an either or situation. It's obviously not either NASA's budget, or putting on the Olympics at a $20b cost. We - humanity - can in fact afford to do both.

I'd vote for reducing NASA's annual budget by 19% (~$4b per year) to pay for the Olympics, if that was the only option. That's a very easy decision.

It's one of the few things that most of humanity does together. Over a billion people watch some part of the Olympics globally. It's a modest, important pillar of peaceful co-existence between nations and peoples broadly. We shoud do more things together in that spirit. Maintaining peace between the 195 nations is more important than NASA's continued operation, by several orders of magnitude.

For another example, the UN is also more important than NASA (the UN has a core budget comparable to an annualized cost of the Olympics). I'm not much of a fan of the UN, and I still recognize that it serves an important purpose of promoting cooperation and discussion between nations and would be almost entirely impossible to replace today.

Competitive sport is critically important to humanity and arguably always has been in some form or another. Sometimes people that don't love sport generally, entirely fail to understand what it accomplishes and how important it is.

If NASA goes away (and yes, it would obviously be a huge loss), a dozen other countries will continue with various space efforts. How many things do that many nations cooperate together on in an overwhelmingly positive spirit other than the Olympics?

Re:Estimated cost of 2028 Los Angeles Olympics jumps to $6.9B by izzydata on Wednesday May 01, 2019 @12:48PM (#19798983)
I don't know that I personally believe sport competition is more important for humanity than NASA. To me sciences and space exploration could easily be 10 times as important as sport. I think the point is that there could be any number of better uses for our collective time and money than sport. Imagine what we could do as a species if we were actually committed to solving something at all costs whether that is curing cancer or stopping man made climate change.
Re:Estimated cost of 2028 Los Angeles Olympics jumps to $6.9B by Consultant32452 on Wednesday May 01, 2019 @01:39PM (#19799590)
Cross cultural humanitarian bonding is more important than any medical or technological breakthrough. It might be nice if regular people bonded over rockets, but they don't. They bond through sports. Because of this, international sports competitions go a long way towards softening some of humanity's worst tendencies: racism, sexism, and xenophobia.
Re:Estimated cost of 2028 Los Angeles Olympics jumps to $6.9B by moogly on Wednesday May 01, 2019 @06:14PM (#19802202)
In my eyes, sports reinforce/exacerbate those things. Hooliganism, violent riots, murdering players making own goals, murdering referees doing the wrong (or right) call... I really don't think sports brings out the best in humanity. At best it's a replacement for jingoism.

Rockets don't make people punch other people in the face. Sports really do.

Re:Estimated cost of 2028 Los Angeles Olympics jumps to $6.9B by Consultant32452 on Thursday May 02, 2019 @01:48AM (#19805090)
Rocket technology is a weapons delivery system.

Rank and file people seeing the world come together and work towards a common goal, even on something as "trivial" as a game, humanizes those different people. And yes, it sometimes results in an occasional fight, but it's much better than the kinds of fights that occur which involve rockets.

Re:Estimated cost of 2028 Los Angeles Olympics jumps to $6.9B by gspetr on Wednesday May 01, 2019 @08:49PM (#19803375)
> international sports competitions go a long way towards softening some of humanity's worst tendencies: sexism

Sexism? I hope you do realize that you are actually defeating your own argument here, since women are segregated and compete separately.

Trans-men, who were not even top athletes among biological men, already dominate biological women's competition.

Re:Estimated cost of 2028 Los Angeles Olympics jumps to $6.9B by tastygreenapple on Wednesday May 01, 2019 @07:02PM (#19802549)
Rank order these two by what would most benefit humanity:

* two people of different ethnicities holding hands

* cold fusion

Re:Estimated cost of 2028 Los Angeles Olympics jumps to $6.9B by Consultant32452 on Thursday May 02, 2019 @01:44AM (#19805078)
I think creating a world in which humans are less inclined to kill one another is more important than increasing our energy supply. We're not exactly lacking in energy as it stands.
Re:Estimated cost of 2028 Los Angeles Olympics jumps to $6.9B by tastygreenapple on Thursday May 02, 2019 @04:34PM (#19812579)
How do you propose we create a world in which humans are less inclined to kill one another?

Need I remind you we discovered fusion to kill people?

Re:Estimated cost of 2028 Los Angeles Olympics jumps to $6.9B by tastygreenapple on Wednesday May 01, 2019 @07:01PM (#19802539)
IF Nasa were able to dedicate the olympic's budget towards hitting the olympic KPIs, it'd be a much different organization.

$20B would put an American on the moon and maybe even put an American on mars, surely that would get the world's attention.

Want peace? Let's detonate a nuclear bomb in space and get people to recognize the destructive potential of our current arms.

The olympics is designed to get people to tune in, NASA is set up to create knowledge. Judging both organizations by outcomes that only the olmpyics is concerned about is a great way to obfuscate NASA's contributions.

Re:Estimated cost of 2028 Los Angeles Olympics jumps to $6.9B by gspetr on Wednesday May 01, 2019 @08:44PM (#19803338)
> We're not leaving this planet for a long time yet.

IMO, that's an argument against Olympics, not for it.

I'm far from calling myself an environmentalist, but consider all the waste and pollution produced by people flying in from all over the world. The negative impact is significant.