Apache loses Java showdown vote to Oracle

Re:Apache loses Java showdown vote to Oracle by wmf on Tuesday December 07, 2010 @11:09AM (#1979446)

Basically the new policy is that Oracle develops the JVM and you use it. You don't develop or port the JVM. Because this is totally acceptable to 99% of Java (app) developers, Java will live on. It's too big to fail.

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Re:Apache loses Java showdown vote to Oracle by kls on Tuesday December 07, 2010 @04:12PM (#1980633)

I think you miss the point, it's not acceptable to the mobile Market, Java's mobile offerings are a joke at best and sinister at worst. It took Android to create a competitive platform in the mobile space and Oracle is putting up every effort to squash any runtime work for the mobile space. It is relevant to Java because mobile is the future, tablets and mobile devices will become the dominate computing platform in the next few years and without inovation in that space, Java will be relegated to a language of the past. It is pretty clear that Oracle is dead set on killing Java mobile and I don't think it is because they see a future in Java ME or think they are working on a superior offering. Rather, I am more inclined to believe that they plan to help position the market for Apple to own the mobile platform. Apple being a vertical vendor like Oracle is very complementary to Oracle's world vision and vice versa. Allowing Apache to certify an alternative JVM would allow work to be done to optimize it for mobile. That is the real story behind all of these wrangling.

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Re:Apache loses Java showdown vote to Oracle by Swannie on Tuesday December 07, 2010 @05:24PM (#1980905)

Java was a safe bet for enterprise software companies - it had wide vendor support: Sun, IBM, WebLogic, Oracle, Apple.

It also had a strong community: Apache, JBoss, etc.

However WebLogic and Sun are now part of Oracle. Apple has backed off on involvement. This leaves Oracle and IBM. IBM are masters of maintaining technology, so we know Java will be maintained. But the ecosystem is being eroded.

If the community is being eroded too, Java advocates everywhere will look somewhere else. Just look at the thread here!

COBOL was too big to fail too. This will not be acceptable to many forward looking enterprise software companies. Expect to see an increasing number of "app servers" appear for Python et al.

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Re:Apache loses Java showdown vote to Oracle by kls on Tuesday December 07, 2010 @08:51PM (#1981510)

Java advocates everywhere will look somewhere else. Just look at the thread here!

Right, the writing is already on the wall, because guys like us have already made our mind up that it is on the wall. They have lost the mind-share. Almost every reason for Java's ascension, has been eroded away, the future of Java is exactly what everyone was running from when they found Java. That's why I asked, Oracle's refusal to work with Apache marks the beginning of the end in my mind. It pretty much states openly their plan. The plan that all the "fear mongers" where warning us about. I asked people thought on the Java replacement, because I really would love to know what people see as the successor. For me at least now with the Apache thing decided, it is not a matter of if, it is a matter of "to what".

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