The Treaty That Forced the Cherokee People from Their Homelands Goes on View

Re:The Treaty That Forced the Cherokee People from Their Hom... by dsfyu404ed on Tuesday April 30, 2019 @08:13AM (#19787191)

>The inescapable truth is this country ( and before if we include the pilgrims ) was subdued with conquest and series of genocides.

Any sort of large scale immigration is going to cause friction. That doesn't have to take the form of wars and ethnic cleansing though.

The Pilgrims showed up in 1620 and occupied land that had formerly belonged to a tribe that was wiped out with smallpox and generally had peaceful relations with the natives.

The Puritans started their caliphate (I'm unaware of a corresponding Christian term) in 1630 and shortly thereafter got into wars with the natives, engaging in literal witch hunts and were generally so disagreeable that they provided the motivation for people to settle further and further west (away from them) further encroaching on the natives. Everybody tends to white wash this because they had high literacy rates and treated women better than most at the time.

The early pre-US settlers varied widely in their relations with the natives. The French had a pretty darn good relationship with the natives until they sold out to the US but they didn't do much settling (which probably helped).

>The only reason Andrew Jackson is being targeted by the establishment today is because he was the most anti-central bank president we've ever had.

I agree this is definitely a large part of it. If Jackson was a highly regarded president for other reasons people wouldn't complain about his mistreatment of the natives but instead he opposed central banking which does not make people hold him in high regard today.

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Re:The Treaty That Forced the Cherokee People from Their Hom... by InitialLastName on Tuesday April 30, 2019 @09:14AM (#19787586)

> Everybody tends to white wash [the Puritan regime] because they had high literacy rates and treated women better than most at the time.

I don't think this squares with The Scarlet Letter being read in just about every high school in the US.

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Re:The Treaty That Forced the Cherokee People from Their Hom... by dsfyu404ed on Tuesday April 30, 2019 @09:31AM (#19787709)

>I don't think this squares with The Scarlet Letter being read in just about every high school in the US.

I guess I should have said "My Massachusetts public school education tends to white wash the Puritan regime".

I've made comments about it before but getting most of my high school education in a different state as well as having my siblings get their education in different states really opened up my eyes to how politically tilted school curriculum are. Anything that's politically inconvenient gets covered at an age to young to think critically about it or covered to fast to have time to think about it. I assume the southern states whitewash everything pre-1865 and the plains states whitewash the Indian wars.

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Re:The Treaty That Forced the Cherokee People from Their Hom... by sigzero on Tuesday April 30, 2019 @09:07AM (#19787528)

We actually never burned any witches at the stake. They were hanged.

https://www.history.com/news/were-witches-burned-at-the-stak...

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Re:The Treaty That Forced the Cherokee People from Their Hom... by dsfyu404ed on Tuesday April 30, 2019 @09:17AM (#19787613)

I think that "burning at the stake" while not historically accurate better conveys the circumstances under which those people were executed because it calls to mind a "witch hunt" in the metaphorical sense which is a fitting description of the (literal) witch hunts in question. At the end of the day "witch hunts" were a thing of the past and Europe (rightfully) regarded the Puritan's witch hunts in Massachusetts colony the way we would regard hearing about a some practices that we consider barbaric and have long since moved on from.

In any case I have edited my original comment to be technically correct.

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