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Re:Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers n... by jimmaswell on Monday April 29, 2019 @03:23PM (#19781709)
What I find more "hopelessly stupid" is being so uptight about the matter that you care if a few particles of animal matter made their way into your food from a shared grill. Even assuming the vegan moral framework, it does no additional good to separate the grills and you're not encouraging any more animal harm by reusing the other grill. It's not like a religion that bans eating certain foods, or an allergy, in which cases it's reasonable to want to 100% avoid ingesting a single mole of the stuff.
Re:Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers n... by scruple on Monday April 29, 2019 @03:33PM (#19781814)
I'm not a vegetarian or a vegan, personally. I'm a hunter, a fisherman, and I buy beef by the half cow from a small ranch. All of that said, if Burger King is selling some food products and marketing them as vegetarian or vegan, but they are being cooked in animal grease, and surely that is what this means, well, then they're either stupid, they're liars, or they're hopelessly incompetent. And you see this sort of tone deaf nonsense coming out of corporations time and time again.
Re:Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers n... by jimmaswell on Monday April 29, 2019 @03:43PM (#19781900)
In the sense that they're not giving these customers what they want, they're being incompetent, but I think it's totally unreasonable in the first place to demand such total separation. Like caring if the same coffee machine was used for non-free-trade coffee grounds before you used it for your own grounds, or that a non-cage-free egg was made on the same grill earlier in the day when you ordered cage-free.
Re:Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers n... by Rooster61 on Monday April 29, 2019 @04:22PM (#19782245)
> but I think it's totally unreasonable in the first place to demand such total separation

I can't say I agree with this sentiment. This sort of thing happens in other food service outlets and it's never bothered me. The one that comes to mind is grocery stores having separate slicers for meat and dairy to accommodate those who keep kosher. I'm not Jewish, and neither am I a vegetarian, but I wouldn't call those who do keep such lifestyle choices unreasonable.

Also, the word demand here commands more than one meaning. If there is demand for such a separation, and money to be made from accommodating that demand, those practices will find their way into the market.

Re:Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers n... by jimmaswell on Monday April 29, 2019 @05:12PM (#19782657)
I did say religious concerns and allergies have more merit for full separation than vegan/vegetarian preference to have no animal matter touch the food. My issue is it's a waste of resources to have two grills just for this.
Re:Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers n... by scruple on Monday April 29, 2019 @04:10PM (#19782137)
> I think it's totally unreasonable in the first place to demand such total separation.

Look it, no one is demanding anything. They're mis-representing their product. That's all that I'm saying. The end.

Everything else you're saying, your railing against the so-called "vegan moral framework," etc..., is, to me, just you grinding an axe.

Re:Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers n... by adrianmonk on Monday April 29, 2019 @04:08PM (#19782126)
> but they are being cooked in animal grease

They are flame broiled, not grilled. They aren't cooked in any type of grease.

Re:Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers n... by scruple on Monday April 29, 2019 @04:16PM (#19782192)
If I'm working the burger station and I'm cooking an impossible burger at the same station as regular burger patties there will be transfers between one and the other, no? I didn't mean they were _literally_ cooking them in animal grease but rather figuratively.
Re:Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers n... by adrianmonk on Monday April 29, 2019 @07:59PM (#19783799)
OK, I can understand that's not the point you were making. I thought you were saying that because at many fast food places they are literally cooking them in animal grease.

Many fast food places (McDonald's, Wendy's) use a flat surface similar to this:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Flickr_X...

Typical ground beef is 20% fat (80% lean), and if you cook it on that, the fat will melt, it will hang around on that surface, and whatever else you cook next will be cooked in animal grease left over from the beef patty.

If you flame broil, the burger sits on a wire mesh, and the grease drips away.

I'm not just picking nits. I'm really trying to make a sincere point that I think one method will have significantly less transfer (not zero) than the other.

Re:Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers n... by iamnothere on Monday April 29, 2019 @09:09PM (#19784216)
To add to your comment, Burger King uses an automated broiler machine similar to this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSuLWkBt5MI

They are fairly large and probably expensive, so a separate broiler may not be an option.

Re:Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers n... by wendyjreichert on Monday April 29, 2019 @04:29PM (#19782311)
If you have a care for the environmental impact, would not having an additional grill be a waste of resources and harmful to the planet?
Re:Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers n... by Forbo on Monday April 29, 2019 @05:11PM (#19782648)
It definitely would increase the friction of adoption. The perfect is the enemy of the good and all that....