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Re:Stop Memsetting Structures by kabdib on Saturday April 27, 2019 @04:45PM (#19767524)
There's enough wiggle room in the standard that two compilers would be happy making two compliant but still different physical layouts for the same struct declaration. I'm not even worrying about cross-platform issues or bitfields yet.

You can get away with directly writing a struct for simple structs, but eventually it will bite you.

Re:Stop Memsetting Structures by hedora on Saturday April 27, 2019 @06:11PM (#19767941)
Packed structs are reasonably standard (even gcc and visual studio can be made to pack in the same way using the same syntax these days).

The remaining issue is endianness, but you can configure ARM to match x86 at boot so shrug.

Also, if I tell any reasonably experienced developer my protocol sends a packed struct with these fields:

  uint8_t version
  uint16_t reserved
  uint8_t op
  int32_t status
  uint32_t data_length
  // void data[]
They’ll be able to write a correct deserializer in pretty much any language, and can probably write it in ~ 10 lines of code.

I agree that packed structs can be tricky, but they’re much better than the vast majority of serialization libraries I’ve dealt with (including all of the open source ones, and I’ve used all the usual suspects).

Re:Stop Memsetting Structures by blattimwind on Saturday April 27, 2019 @09:21PM (#19768707)
> The remaining issue is endianness, but you can configure ARM to match x86 at boot so shrug.

ARM in BE mode is pretty rare / nonexistent. Small MIPS chips still float around in mostly low-end networking gear, though, and those do tend to run in BE.

Re:Stop Memsetting Structures by Gibbon1 on Saturday April 27, 2019 @07:21PM (#19768252)
My experience with packed structs is there really aren't any gotcha's. Either works or not.

The big annoyance is network people all use big endian probably just to spite everyone else.

Re:Stop Memsetting Structures by shaklee3 on Saturday April 27, 2019 @07:40PM (#19768359)
Why would it be to spite everyone? Big endian is network order by definition. It's hard-coded into every asic in switches and routers for decades. If you don't use big endian your packets won't even make it to where you want. Of course, your own payload can do whatever you want as long as you know with 100% certainty nobody else will ever want to talk to your application and get confused.
Re:Stop Memsetting Structures by Gibbon1 on Saturday April 27, 2019 @09:13PM (#19768689)
Consider the lorawan spec which was written in the last 5 years. The stack is designed to be implemented in software on small 32 bit microcontrollers which are _all_ little endian. And it's big endians.

The people that wrote that spec knew that and went with big endian anyways.

Also I work with people that do network hardware. They can't care less about little or big endian. Makes no difference to them.

Re:Stop Memsetting Structures by saagarjha on Saturday April 27, 2019 @11:04PM (#19769063)
Someone needs to pick one or the other: you can't have it both ways.
Re:Stop Memsetting Structures by Gibbon1 on Sunday April 28, 2019 @01:20AM (#19769497)
Yeah they are picking the side everyone else abandoned 25 years ago.