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Re:Mozilla is giving up on their IRC server by coldtea on Saturday April 27, 2019 @02:01PM (#19766770)
>Your position is that of _if we cannot solve 100% of a problem, there is no use to solving 95%_ which is clearly a false dichotomy.

No, my position is that if 5% of a problem (5 out of 100 people seeing it) is equally catastrophic as 100%, then it makes no sense to differentiate, which is a very true dichotomy.

The fact that just 1 person that's not supposed to see it seeing it can do damage, makes the problem a binary and not a spectrum.

Re:Mozilla is giving up on their IRC server by j1elo on Saturday April 27, 2019 @02:06PM (#19766807)
I agree for catastrophic mistakes. It doesn't mean the feature is rendered useless for the non catastrophic ones.

Which one occurs more often than the other, that's another question, but I'd argue that the later is more common, and there is no doubt that people knew, in the event they wrote a very catastrophic secret, the limitations of the edition/deletion of messages (as long as most people nowadays seem to know about screenshots being a thing)

Re:Mozilla is giving up on their IRC server by the8472 on Saturday April 27, 2019 @02:49PM (#19767006)
The issue is that zapzupnz deletions to propagate. This can only be ensured in locked-down systems.

There's a difference between offering corrections and retractions that others may or may not accept and actually enforcing deletions. This is both socially and information-theoretically true.

Re:Mozilla is giving up on their IRC server by zapzupnz on Saturday April 27, 2019 @04:56PM (#19767577)
All I said is that the deletions should be propagated. The presentation of this can only be ensured in locked-down systems, but the actual propagation is simple enough. Just as the server can send all users within a channel "so-and-so said this message", it can say "so-and-so deleted this message" — it can be left up to the client whether to actually remove it or perhaps just hide it, ready to be shown again with a click.

Obviously on Discord, one is tied to the official client's behaviour since the ToS discourages third party clients. However, for Slack, Mattermost, Matrix etc. clients, the possibilities widen up.

Re:Mozilla is giving up on their IRC server by the8472 on Sunday April 28, 2019 @09:28AM (#19771049)
Ah, I read "deletion" as the actual effect, not the request for the action to be performed.