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Re:Google Is Eating Our Mail by asark on Friday April 26, 2019 @11:27AM (#19758504)
I think (some of them) may think that's true, but their internal reward structures and top-down priorities are clearly set up such that it's not, in practice. There's no other reason it could be so bad.
Re:Google Is Eating Our Mail by ericol on Friday April 26, 2019 @12:58PM (#19759566)
I live in Argentina. Few years back, an ex government official from the previous government was caught in the act of hiding 8 million dollars in a church.

My partner's auncle was also an ex government official from the previous government.

He was in charge of the country's office for regulation work in rural areas.

Up to that point, he was a complete believer that the government he was part of, was there to really change things and put the country in the right track.

When the news about that other guy's 8 mill broke out, he was completelly and uterly devastated.

I think the same can be applied to a lot of the people that works in Google regarding the way they perceive the company.

I just recently read in the news that there has been some retaliation exherted on googlers because of organizing some walkouts.

To think that your company just does good because you try to do good, and not take a look at what is really going around in the world related to what the company you work for is "a little" naive.

Also, I think that right now companies like Google and FB should be treated and reasoned about like states. To think that they will not abuse their power in one way or the other - just like countries do - is also "a little" naive.

Re:Google Is Eating Our Mail by mthoms on Friday April 26, 2019 @02:08PM (#19760295)
>Also, I think that right now companies like Google and FB should be treated and reasoned about like states. To think that they will not abuse their power in one way or the other - just like countries do - is also "a little" naive.

That companies this big ought to be reasoned about just like Nation States is a very interesting idea.

Re:Google Is Eating Our Mail by arrosenberg on Friday April 26, 2019 @02:52PM (#19760708)
Alternatively, we could reject the notion entirely and revive the antitrust movement. Centralized private power is just as, if not more, dangerous than centralized public power and we aught to have a discussion about whether nation-state size companies are really a desirable feature.
Re:Google Is Eating Our Mail by ericol on Saturday April 27, 2019 @10:51AM (#19765807)
I think both the approaches in your comment and the one above (Or any comment to that matter) are worthy of a lengthy discussion.

But my point was more directed towrds understanding how companies this big are starting to behave.

I do think antitrust is a way to look at it, but the anti trust laws in the US I think are difficult to point towards Google for instance (Probably the same about European laws)

> we aught to have a discussion about whether nation-state size companies are really a desirable feature

I think it goes a way longer than that. Obviously private companies are subjected to a lot less scrutiny than states, but states do miss behave and do not run into the risk of eternal intervention, unless they really fuck up, and even then.

Re:Google Is Eating Our Mail by eggsome on Friday April 26, 2019 @09:20PM (#19763134)
Forcing mega corps to assume the responsibility of statehood is one of the key plot points in the "Poor mans fight" series of books. (some of the best sci-fi I've read in a while too).
Re:Google Is Eating Our Mail by ericol on Saturday April 27, 2019 @10:45AM (#19765783)
Hey, thanks for that. Interesting. I'll take a look at those books.
Re:Google Is Eating Our Mail by LocalPCGuy on Friday April 26, 2019 @05:20PM (#19761838)
As I started to read this, I SOOO wanted it to continue on like this:

> I have this 8 million from the church, but I need to get it out of the country in order to spend it ...

Re:Google Is Eating Our Mail by ericol on Saturday April 27, 2019 @10:52AM (#19765813)
Why stop there, and not go full nigerian scam, Argentinian style.
Re:Google Is Eating Our Mail by darrmit on Friday April 26, 2019 @11:40AM (#19758651)
This seems to be common with the product teams I’ve interfaced with. Good intentions, but bad prioritization and little incentive to do anything other than cater to the big revenue drivers.
Re:Google Is Eating Our Mail by jrockway on Friday April 26, 2019 @12:30PM (#19759252)
Why would you start a for-profit company to not focus on "big revenue drivers"?
Re:Google Is Eating Our Mail by newsoul2019 on Friday April 26, 2019 @01:54PM (#19760133)
If you are a for-profit company, why would you kill off business lines that are "only" making you $10-$50 million per year?
Re:Google Is Eating Our Mail by TheHegemon on Friday April 26, 2019 @03:36PM (#19761069)
Most likely due to opportunity cost. Your resources and effort would be better spent elsewhere.
Re:Google Is Eating Our Mail by touristtam on Monday April 29, 2019 @06:48AM (#19777228)
Immediate profit and cost saving might hide something more valuable to a business in the long run: reputation.