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Re:After Pentagon Ends Contract, Top-Secret Scientists Group... by ARandomerDude on Thursday April 25, 2019 @09:55PM (#19754192)
Headline should read "after funding cut, scientists look for new funding". Not quite as clickbaity though...

ETA: I used to work at a government lab. I've never heard a contractor say "they made the right choice. My work is obsolete/irrelevant/a waste of money." At the end of the day, people have livelihoods to maintain. Their work is always "needed now more than ever". Some of it actually is. Some of it isn't.

Re:After Pentagon Ends Contract, Top-Secret Scientists Group... by notbob on Thursday April 25, 2019 @10:57PM (#19754473)
> I used to work at a government lab.

Most JASON scientists haven't worked at a government lab for decades. How is this relevant?

> ...I've never heard a contractor...

These aren't contractors, they are scientists. And not just any scientists. In most cases, they aren't even the scientists employed by a national lab. They're scientists employed by all manner of institutions, including universities who will pay their paychecks regardless of whether this funding comes in. Usually senior and well-respected.

Many of those scientists have, if not "fuck you money", at least "fuck you reputations" that translate into "fuck you money". E.g., the current chairperson is fucking Russell Hemley... he's not putting up with federal background checks because he needs the extra pennies...

JASON members work on JASON projects because they think those projects are important. Nobel laureates and other top scientists don't work on grant funded projects for the money... if all they cared about was feeding their families, they would just retire. And if all they cared about was money, they would pimp their reputations to private industry labs.

Re:After Pentagon Ends Contract, Top-Secret Scientists Group... by cm2187 on Friday April 26, 2019 @02:11AM (#19755196)
I don't know about these specific scientists but often professors only get paid for the school terms and must rely on externally funded research grants for the rest of the year.
Re:After Pentagon Ends Contract, Top-Secret Scientists Group... by AlexCoventry on Friday April 26, 2019 @03:14AM (#19755424)
If you don't bring in grant money, you'll end up with a lab roughly the size and utility of a shoebox.
Re:After Pentagon Ends Contract, Top-Secret Scientists Group... by dgacmu on Friday April 26, 2019 @12:02PM (#19758948)
You're missing the parent's point. Another (one-time?) JASON who you might have heard of is Bill Dally. He was a prof at Stanford, including being the department chair, and is the chief scientist / senior VP of Research at Nvidia.

Needless to say, silicon valley senior VPs don't usually need extra spending cash.

Re:After Pentagon Ends Contract, Top-Secret Scientists Group... by snowwrestler on Friday April 26, 2019 @08:35AM (#19756761)
If the money isn’t an issue, then why is the entire article about the money? For example:

> The contract, run through the Mitre Corp., is the vehicle that allows the Jasons to do work with other parts of the government as well. Without it, the group has no way of getting the several million dollars in funding it needs to operate annually.

Re:After Pentagon Ends Contract, Top-Secret Scientists Group... by rootbear on Friday April 26, 2019 @09:06AM (#19756992)
I got the impression that the money isn't all salaries. They need the funds to help with the research they do with the various agencies. Do they have staff during the summer meetings who assist? Do the agencies they work for need money to provide the information the Jasons need to do a study for them? The article doesn't have enough information to answer these questions, nor does it imply that the money all goes into their pockets.
Re:After Pentagon Ends Contract, Top-Secret Scientists Group... by notbob on Saturday April 27, 2019 @02:54AM (#19764219)
Several million dollars is not a lot of money for a group this size. We're talking "travel to annual meetings and fund administrative overhead (e.g. security clearances are not cheap)" money.

There's "not in it for the money", and then there's "dipping into my personal funds".

Also, again, for many of these scientists, 1MM+ is the annual opportunity cost they pay to stay in academia/public sector vs. private industry. If they were in it for personal payout, they'd have jumped ship a long time ago.

Re:After Pentagon Ends Contract, Top-Secret Scientists Group... by kilo_bravo_3 on Friday April 26, 2019 @07:25AM (#19756355)
>These aren't contractors, they are scientists.

If you are paid to perform a service based on the terms of a contract you are, by definition, a contractor.

It doesn't matter if you are cleaning toilets or hosting a conference on quantum computing.

Re:After Pentagon Ends Contract, Top-Secret Scientists Group... by notbob on Saturday April 27, 2019 @05:35PM (#19767774)
> If you are paid to perform a service based on the terms of a contract you are, by definition, a contractor.

1. "Contractor" means something specific in the Defense industry. Every employee, including members of the armed forces and employees of DHS, are "paid to perform a service based on the terms of a contract" (the employment contract). But, of course, literally everyone knows that when I say "contractor" I definitely do not mean "someone who has signed an employment contract with the federal government".

2. The expectations associated with grants are different enough from most other contracts that there's a useful distinction between "grant work" and "contract work".

Re:After Pentagon Ends Contract, Top-Secret Scientists Group... by notthegov on Thursday April 25, 2019 @10:33PM (#19754373)
Perhaps but the JASON Group is the most famous group of top secret scientists. Half of their studies are classified but here's some that aren't-

https://fas.org/irp/agency/dod/jason

JASON was founded as Project 137 by John Archibald Wheeler and others. It was only publicly confirmed to exist after the Pentagon Papers mentioned them.

Re:After Pentagon Ends Contract, Top-Secret Scientists Group... by pontifier on Friday April 26, 2019 @12:57AM (#19754960)
Thanks, I'm particularly interested in their evaluation of low cost Fusion concepts. I really wish I could get some funding to build my prototype reactor.
Re:After Pentagon Ends Contract, Top-Secret Scientists Group... by achenatx on Friday April 26, 2019 @08:42AM (#19756821)
I own a contracting company and we regularly tell clients they should cut the project we are working on because it doesnt provide enough value.

We do software requirements, identifying the minimum necessary features to maximize the value. Some projects have no redeeming value.

Who wants to waste a clients money working on something that has no value for a client?

Re:After Pentagon Ends Contract, Top-Secret Scientists Group... by nn3 on Friday April 26, 2019 @10:23AM (#19757805)
>Who wants to waste a clients money working on something that >has no value for a client?

Isn't that the whole business model of Accenture and similar?

Re:After Pentagon Ends Contract, Top-Secret Scientists Group... by JetSpiegel on Saturday April 27, 2019 @06:14AM (#19764811)
That's doing the least possible while billing the most. It's an optimizing function.

Doing valueless projects is a consequence of that function.

Re:After Pentagon Ends Contract, Top-Secret Scientists Group... by seem_2211 on Friday April 26, 2019 @12:34PM (#19759296)
This is something I see on Twitter a bit (usually with "academics" who spend a lot of time telling other people how they should live their lives). "Very important work" is very subjective. Almost all of us want to think that our work is very important (myself included).
Re:After Pentagon Ends Contract, Top-Secret Scientists Group... by microwavecamera on Thursday April 25, 2019 @10:00PM (#19754213)
The article doesn't cover much of the history and mystery behind the Jason group. They were the stuff of conspiracy theory lore when I was younger.
Re:After Pentagon Ends Contract, Top-Secret Scientists Group... by starpilot on Thursday April 25, 2019 @10:32PM (#19754371)
MJ12, Bilderberg group. Think tanks. Anyone can join.