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Re:Medical records on the blockchain – the history of a bad ... by chris_wot on Thursday April 25, 2019 @08:36PM (#19753843)
If you could tell me even one application of this technology outside of cryptocurrency, I'd genuinely be interested.
Re:Medical records on the blockchain – the history of a bad ... by WalterSear on Thursday April 25, 2019 @09:33PM (#19754104)
* Decentralized, anonymized reputation management. Imagine an ebay score that couldn't be owned by ebay, or any another company.

* Decentralized digital Asset ownership verification. Again, imagine facebook without a facebook. Or imagine purchase a music or software token that you could use on any provider, and never expired. Sign up for a new streaming service and take all your songs/videos/games with you from the old one.

* All the legal structures of a company, purchased off the shelf, handling all the vagaries of human resources and accounting, but without managers or payroll accountants. Just remote teammates, who may never have worked before, but know they will get paid a salary, receive evaluations and promotions from their peers.

These are just toy examples, I'm sure if I took more than a few seconds, I could give you much better ones. The problem with blockchain isn't finding applications - it's finding monetizable ones.

All the examples above would make amazing open source projects, but IMHO would be very difficult to generate revenue without compromising their decentralized nature, by inserting oneself into the transactions to take a cut. Centralized control of an application is almost a requirement for monetization, and, blockchains, are, by definition, intended to circumvent centralization.

Moreover, trust and verification aren't new problems, and we already have plenty of centralized solutions for these problems. So, blockchain applications both have to be better than what was there before, and work around the decentralized nature of the system.

Consequently, people trying to make a living on the blockchain mostly resort to monetizing the networks themselves - in other words, developing cryptocurrency-like products of some form. Is this decentralized? Not entirely, but it's less centralized than what came before. If people disagree with the behaviour oof the ethereum foundation, they can fork the currency. However, this still a long cry from actual decentralization. It is certainly an open question what value 'kindof-sortof' decentralized networks provide.

Re:Medical records on the blockchain – the history of a bad ... by jakevn on Thursday April 25, 2019 @11:00PM (#19754482)
None of which you have listed can be proven by blockchain as it has proofs for today. All would rely on external sources of truth which entirely live outside the verification of the blockchain. The blockchain in these cases would be an immutable chain of unverified facts.
Re:Medical records on the blockchain – the history of a bad ... by WalterSear on Thursday April 25, 2019 @11:24PM (#19754590)
* An anonymized reputation system is the equivalent of a transaction ledger. It needs no external source, as long as the involved actors agree to enter into evaluation of each other.

* Digital assets ownership ultimately only require external sources of truth for storage of whatever digital asset they intend to provide. I concur that this would be impossibly expensive to provide via an existing blockchain implementations, without an external point of truth, but still a technically possible feat.

* An entire company on the blockchain? Sure, it's not reasonable at the moment. It was just an attempt to paint a bigger picture. The fact that it's 'not yet reasonable' is why many people are starting to try. By the time it's 'reasonable', someone will have done it.

Re:Medical records on the blockchain – the history of a bad ... by shanghaiclique on Thursday April 25, 2019 @10:20PM (#19754316)
* Decentralized, anonymized reputation management. Imagine an ebay score that couldn't be owned by ebay, or any another company.

There are about 500 articles every week about China's "social credit score" dystopia, and you want to put that on the block chain?

Re:Medical records on the blockchain – the history of a bad ... by WalterSear on Thursday April 25, 2019 @10:45PM (#19754434)
China's social credit score is centralized and not anonymous. So, there's not really much to compare.

An decentralized credit score would have you scored by your peers. An anonymized one would only be evaluable when you chose to use it.

Could it present some heretofore unimagined dystopian situation? Sure, but the question was whether there was an application, not whether it was a good idea to build it :)

Moreover, reputation systems aren't inherently dystopian (or all encompassing like a social credit score, ftm), or we wouldn't have the long standing real-world ones.

Re:Medical records on the blockchain – the history of a bad ... by Ninjaneered on Thursday April 25, 2019 @10:03PM (#19754230)
> Decentralized, anonymized reputation management. Imagine an ebay score that couldn't be owned by ebay, or any another company

This reputation system is one application I'd really like to see in the future. It's silly that we have sepearte silos of reputation (eBay, Amazon, credit scores, etc.) that are each controlled by a company. In our increasingly global world, who would we trust to govern this system? Seems like a legitimate application for a blockchain (including consensus).

Re:Medical records on the blockchain – the history of a bad ... by hschoenburg on Thursday April 25, 2019 @08:44PM (#19753892)
Re:Medical records on the blockchain – the history of a bad ... by IncRnd on Thursday April 25, 2019 @09:28PM (#19754081)
Have you considered the downside of an attack against such a DNS system? That is a severe drawback to handshake that limits trust in such a system. This exemplifies the argument you are trying to refute, that using a blockchain as a solution is often poor design.
Re:Medical records on the blockchain – the history of a bad ... by mhluongo on Thursday April 25, 2019 @09:55PM (#19754193)
Care to explain that hand-wavy downside?
Re:Medical records on the blockchain – the history of a bad ... by tastroder on Friday April 26, 2019 @01:13AM (#19755009)
The link you posted doesn't even aim for replacing DNS, by the abstract and landing page it seems to be an experimental setup to replace the root zone which has been signed for nearly 10 years now. DNSSEC is a thing.

Don't really see what's hand-wavy about your parent comment tbh, the link you posted doesn't seem to address common scenarios like 51% attacks or even why our current system is flawed. The only tangible thing I can find in there is that they don't like trusting verisign - which is fine but really a weird narrative to demonstrate why the world needs that particular implementation.

Re:Medical records on the blockchain – the history of a bad ... by mhluongo on Friday April 26, 2019 @06:31AM (#19756111)
I didn't post the link. I'm just asking for details about an unspecified attack in your comment, or really any pointed criticism at all (:
Re:Medical records on the blockchain – the history of a bad ... by IncRnd on Saturday April 27, 2019 @08:27PM (#19768553)
It isn't hand-wavy. However, it is problematic when people propose solutions to fundamental design issues, without knowing the threat model.

In the link that was posted, a pollution of a distributed root zone will vitiate the entire Internet's DNS. That is the vulnerability, and there are many attacks that will achieve that for the link that was posted.

Re:Medical records on the blockchain – the history of a bad ... by DennisP on Thursday April 25, 2019 @08:58PM (#19753963)
Do you mean outside of any involvement with currency, or just outside of simple transfers of currency? Because a lot of things are applications of programmable money, like derivatives, exchanges, and gambling.

Beyond that, some games are using public blockchains to track ownership of game items.

Re:Medical records on the blockchain – the history of a bad ... by acdha on Thursday April 25, 2019 @09:04PM (#19753986)
None of which seem to intrinsically need a blockchain or be more competitive for using one. All of the real volume in those activity classes not using blockchains would need some explanation.
Re:Medical records on the blockchain – the history of a bad ... by 4ntonius8lock on Thursday April 25, 2019 @09:30PM (#19754091)
I see it being used in public registry points.

For example, property records. Right now there are considerable checks and balances needed to ensure there aren't funny things going on with the books when they are locked away at night.

This isn't as pressing an issue in the US, but it is a massive problem worldwide. Central governments in some countries want to be able to track property without the record keepers stealing it.

I don't think we'll see this widespread for the next 20-30 years. But imagine when existing power structures have absorbed this tech and they can then sell it - like VISA selling a block chain property registry to countries where the money is auto transferred in local currency from one end user to another while communicating to the countries central bank... maybe with tie in to bio metrics for ID and transaction verification and automatic tax payments.

Hardly a disruption from existing nation state and corporate power structures, but definitively a disruption in the possibilities of what can be offered.

Re:Medical records on the blockchain – the history of a bad ... by DennisP on Friday April 26, 2019 @12:39PM (#19759342)
It's just computation and storage, so of course you can do it on a server. Three things blockchains provide: you don't need to trust anyone with custody of your assets, you have censorship resistance, and users pay for all the resources they use so don't need a business model just to keep it running.
Re:Medical records on the blockchain – the history of a bad ... by DesiLurker on Thursday April 25, 2019 @10:51PM (#19754452)
Land parcel record management. Especially in developing countries like India there are often cases of 'double spending' motivated by bribery. having open distributed records would make use & validation of such records more robust.