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Re:Flutter desktop shells by pier25 on Thursday April 25, 2019 @11:34AM (#19749213)
AFAIK Flutter will be the primary SDK for writing apps in Fuchsia.

If this is true, and if the other rumors about Fuchsia replacing Android are also true, then I doubt Flutter and Dart are going anywhere.

Re:Flutter desktop shells by coldtea on Thursday April 25, 2019 @11:58AM (#19749462)
Except if Google gets bored with Fuchsia, like it has with tons of projects.

Heck, from what you say, it already got bored with Android -- if Fucshia is to replace it in say 2022, it means that Android just lasted around 15 years as a platform.

Re:Flutter desktop shells by japanoise on Thursday April 25, 2019 @12:39PM (#19749863)
15 years - so only four years less than MS-DOS ('81 - 2000) by which point it was considered hairy and terrible?

I'm no big fan of Google, but 15 years is plenty long enough. And really, Android is definitely struggling and showing its age by this point.

Re:Flutter desktop shells by Benjammer on Thursday April 25, 2019 @08:28PM (#19753810)
>Android is definitely struggling and showing its age by this point

I have the opposite viewpoint on this. I've worked on mobile the last 5 years or so, and dedicated native Android the last 2.5 years. The last year or two have been dramatic revolutions in the Android developer experience, from my perspective. Things like ConstraintLayout and full Kotlin support with ktx have opened up a new world for me compared to the state of the art several years ago.

Then you look at companies like Peloton using large form-factor Android devices in their core products, and Samsung DEx using Android as a seamless mobile<->desktop computer.

To me it seems like Android is just hitting it's stride. Who knows though, it's Google.

Re:Flutter desktop shells by bulldoa on Thursday April 25, 2019 @01:29PM (#19750449)
Out of curiosity, why is android struggling? What aspect of it needs improvement?
Re:Flutter desktop shells by cwyers on Thursday April 25, 2019 @02:33PM (#19751155)
There is no sense in which MS-DOS died in 2000.
Re:Flutter desktop shells by japanoise on Thursday April 25, 2019 @05:21PM (#19752626)
Wikipedia lists the last release of MS-DOS as version 8.0 in 2000, linking to the page for Windows ME.

This is what the comments above were alluding to, a "final release" before the project is abandoned. Installations still continue, in the same way there's probably places still doing the books on a C64, but it's no longer supported.

Re:Flutter desktop shells by coldtea on Thursday April 25, 2019 @02:38PM (#19751214)
I guess the parent means when (NT-Kernel based) Windows XP replaced Windows ME, which was the last version to run on top of MS-DOS (iirc).
Re:Flutter desktop shells by pier25 on Thursday April 25, 2019 @12:53PM (#19750039)
Android has plenty of issues and in the past 10-15 years Google has learned a lot from it and from Chrome OS.

I think it makes sense that it would go back to the drawing board and try to make something better from scratch.

Time will tell.

Re:Flutter desktop shells by pjmlp on Friday April 26, 2019 @03:08AM (#19755404)
Not at all, Fuchsia has evolved for a pluggable UI via Scenic.