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Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by TylerE on Wednesday April 24, 2019 @08:51PM (#19743972)
They're saying that NOW. What will they be saying in a year or three?
Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by moduspol on Wednesday April 24, 2019 @08:59PM (#19744012)
Model 3 owner here:

Tesla already feels at least three years ahead of other manufacturers, and the cars other manufacturers are promising in the next few years are aiming to possibly compete with what Tesla's been selling for at least a year.

The Model S is being sold today with 370 miles of range, Autopilot, and the Supercharger network. Where will Tesla be in a few years if/when other manufacturers catch up with that?

Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by hi5eyes on Wednesday April 24, 2019 @09:19PM (#19744130)
>370 miles of range, Autopilot, and the Supercharger network

>Where will Tesla be in a few years if/when other manufacturers catch up with that?

wouldnt that be highly dependent on teslas cash burn and desperate cash grabs to survive the next quarter?

in a few years you should hope to still retain some form of autopilot, maybe the supercharger network is shared/sold off,

370 miles of range? battery tech isnt improving so much but usually battery life drops

Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by DarmokJalad1701 on Wednesday April 24, 2019 @10:01PM (#19744380)
> usually battery life drops

Tests have shown that is not really that big of a factor.

E.g. https://cleantechnica.com/2019/01/28/350000-miles-in-a-tesla...

https://electrek.co/2017/09/04/how-tesla-model-s-holds-up-ti...

Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by hi5eyes on Wednesday April 24, 2019 @11:31PM (#19744734)
I expected replies to my comment with links to those sites, you do know how hard they shill tesla right? only recently elons been reeing at the very author of that elektrik article

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1120820597347377152 >@FredericLambert Also, how did you manage to get shamed into being de facto anti-Tesla by social media trolls. Jeez …

but.. im sure the numbers are thoroughly researched...

Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by Diederich on Thursday April 25, 2019 @12:55AM (#19745103)
Well, here is one bit of data then.

The Tesla model S 100D I bought in December 2017 now has over 17,000 miles on it, with 95% of those miles fast supercharged.

My max range has declined 2 miles. That's well under 1%, which is especially impressive given that most battery capability loss happens in the beginning of it's lifespan.

How? Well, I suppose the battery management software and hardware is as advanced as is claimed.

Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by kylecordes on Wednesday April 24, 2019 @10:27PM (#19744507)
> supercharger network is shared/sold off

Selling the supercharger network to a separate company, and enabling it to serve all EVs, seems like an obviously great idea. Rebrand it from "Tesla Supercharger" to “Supercharger". Tesla cars can stiull be sold as compatible with “the Supercharger network”.

I'm not a financial modeling kind of person, but I suspect such a beast could sell for quite a lot of money, strengthening Tesla's finances. Perhaps one of the gigantic oil companies that owns/franchises a gigantic chain of gas stations would like to stake out a leading claim on EV charging, those folks have plenty of money.

It would also further Tesla's stated goal of accelerating the transition to EV's or whatever.

Of course there are downsides, giving up this proprietary advantage. Still, that downside versus retiring some risk seems like a nice trade-off.

Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by hi5eyes on Wednesday April 24, 2019 @11:33PM (#19744738)
>could sell for quite a lot of money, strengthening Tesla's finances

yes a trustworthy company run by a well regarded ceo that could raise money

tesla? not so optimistic. until tesla finds significant backing they're just going to keep playing the desperate cash pump game

im all for it tbh, its hella funny

Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by philwelch on Wednesday April 24, 2019 @09:28PM (#19744180)
Bankrupt?
Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by moduspol on Wednesday April 24, 2019 @09:48PM (#19744307)
Traditional automakers better hope so, because it's otherwise not going to get any easier to compete with Tesla in the next few years.
Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by dstaley on Wednesday April 24, 2019 @09:00PM (#19744021)
They also said that seven years ago when the first Model S was released. In three years, some auto makers might be where Tesla was seven years ago, but it'll be a good while before anyone reaches the point Tesla is at right now.
Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by markdown on Wednesday April 24, 2019 @08:56PM (#19743990)
Were iPhone 2 and 4 users less loyal than iPhone 1 users?
Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by ceedan on Wednesday April 24, 2019 @08:56PM (#19743994)
That's the implication. Apple/iPhone customers were happy a decade ago, and are still happy today.
Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by bduerst on Wednesday April 24, 2019 @08:57PM (#19744001)
That's survivor bias. What about the happy blackberry customers?
Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by mwfunk on Wednesday April 24, 2019 @09:09PM (#19744069)
They became unhappy Blackberry customers, prompting them to become a happy customer of something else. Nobody forced them to stop buying Blackberries.
Re:Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales Lag by bduerst on Wednesday April 24, 2019 @09:11PM (#19744083)
And there's the point. There's no proof Tesla customers will be happy as Apple or happy as Blackberry customers in 3 years.

It's even worse here because the buying cycle for cars is longer than phones, and Tesla needs more cash right now.