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Re:Intel Exiting 5G Modems by ianai on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @09:14PM (#19678813)
Any cable modem brands known to not use bufferbloat-ing NICs?
Re:Intel Exiting 5G Modems by wtallis on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @09:17PM (#19678836)
DOCSIS 3.1 standard introduced a good but not great Active Queue Management scheme called PIE. But upgrading your modem only helps with traffic you're sending; your ISP needs to upgrade their equipment to manage the buffers at their end of the bottleneck in order to prevent your downloads from causing excessive induced latency.
Re:Intel Exiting 5G Modems by dtaht99 on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @03:28AM (#19680514)
The bufferbloat project introduced a great (IMHO) fq + AQM scheme called "cake", which smokes the DOCSIS 3.1 pie in every way, especially with it's new DOCSIS shaper mode in place. It's readily available in a ton of home routers now, notably openwrt, which took it up 3 years ago. It's also now in the linux mainline as of linux 4.19. The (first of several) papers on it is here: https://arxiv.org/abs/1804.07617

I hope to have a document comparing it to docsis 3.1 pie at some point in the next few months, in the meantime, I hope more (especially ISPs in their default gear) give cake a try! It's open source, like everything else we do at bufferbloat.net and teklibre.

Re:Intel Exiting 5G Modems by dboreham on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @01:05AM (#19679896)
Use a decent router on your side and configure it to rate limit slightly below the modems's limits. This avoids ever creating a queue in their boxes. You can run a ping while tweaking your router rate limit settings to find the point where it is just about queuing but not quite, to optimize both throughput and latency.
Re:Intel Exiting 5G Modems by jjeaff on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @01:48AM (#19680065)
Depending on your speed, you may need a bit more than just a decent router. Many routers can't hardware accelerate qos traffic, which will be needed to limit the speed.

My Netgear R7000 can't handle my 400mbps connection using qos throttling. I will need probably at least a mid range Ubiquiti router to handle it.

Re:Intel Exiting 5G Modems by wtallis on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @02:22AM (#19680219)
Ubiquiti routers won't help you; they're even more reliant on hardware acceleration than typical consumer brands, and nobody has put the best modern AQM algorithms into silicon yet. What you really need is a CPU fast enough to perform traffic shaping and AQM in software, which ironically means x86 and Intel are the safest choices.
Re:Intel Exiting 5G Modems by dtaht99 on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @03:25AM (#19680492)
Well, bufferbloat is at it's worst on slow connections (<100Mbit) and 50 dollars worth of router can fix it there in software.
Re:Intel Exiting 5G Modems by FredFS456 on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @11:04AM (#19683176)
Only if the firmware implements the algorithms. OpenWRT is your best bet for this: I have it running on a TL-WDR3600 quite well.
Re:Intel Exiting 5G Modems by throw0101a on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @10:06AM (#19682656)
> Any cable modem brands known to not use bufferbloat-ing NICs?

Avoid modems with Intel, specifically the various "Puma" chipsets. Best to double-check the spec sheet on whatever you buy.

The main alternative seems to be Broadcom-based modems: TP-Link TC7650 DOCSIS 3.0 modem and Technicolor TC4400 DOCSIS 3.1 modem (of which there are a few revisions now).

Re:Intel Exiting 5G Modems by ac29 on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @10:33PM (#19679243)
A $45 router is enough to de-bufferbloat connections up to several hundred megabits, and past that bufferbloat is less of a concern (in part because its difficult to saturate).
Re:Intel Exiting 5G Modems by jjeaff on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @01:50AM (#19680072)
My $120+ Netgear r7000 can't quite handle my 400mbps connection when qos filtering is turned on. If anyone wants a reference.
Re:Intel Exiting 5G Modems by devttyeu on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @09:19AM (#19682254)
There are cheap and good routers.

$69 MikroTik hAP ac2 will easily push 1Gbps+ with qos rules - https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2#fndtn-testresults (it's a bit more tricky to setup and you need to make sure you don't expose the interface to the internet)

Re:Intel Exiting 5G Modems by bumbledraven on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @01:19PM (#19684478)
It's not the hardware that's at fault, it's the software and/or configuration. See here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17448022