Re:Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris
by int_19h on Monday April 15, 2019 @06:17PM
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There's an interesting attitude towards the word "nationalism" in US. As you say, it's probably one of the most enthusiastically civic nationalist nation in the world - indeed, to the point where American sociologists have described it as a "civic religion" at times. But the word "nationalism" itself is almost exclusively interpreted as "ethnic nationalism", and has an unambiguously negative vibe. So people who practice civic nationalism describe themselves as "patriots" instead.
Re:Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris
by ada1981 on Monday April 15, 2019 @04:30PM
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We actually had elected officials chanting “USA! USA!” at the last State of the Union Address.
Very fine people on all sides of course.
Re:Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris
by fapjacks on Monday April 15, 2019 @04:49PM
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My favorite part of the "USA! USA!" chant is how seriously non-Americans are about it. Every time I've started or participated in a "USA! USA!" chant it was only about 15% nationalism and 85% a joke. Part of its enchanting humor is how that seems lost on everybody else.
Re:Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris
by em500 on Monday April 15, 2019 @05:06PM
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"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be."
Americans are some of most obnoxiously nationalistic people I've ever encountered. Note: I've lived both in Paris, and also NY and California (14 years in the US). Only in the US do you hear mobs of nationalistic folk chanting "USA USA." I've never been in France or the UK and seen similar things. Think about things like Americans boycotting French Fries and calling them "Freedom Fries" when France decided not to join the illegal and immoral Iraq War.