Re:How Apple, Google, and other tech companies conspired aga...
by maxxxxx on Monday April 15, 2019 @01:16PM
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It has been shown repeatedly that boards won't do much and repeated fines are more and more just another cost of business. Either the fines need to be raised to a level where the company loses profit for one or more years or we need to go after individuals.
Re:How Apple, Google, and other tech companies conspired aga...
by yardie on Monday April 15, 2019 @02:11PM
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Don’t bother to fine them. They’ll just use that to punish employees and shareholders. Make the executives liable.
Re:How Apple, Google, and other tech companies conspired aga...
by maxxxxx on Monday April 15, 2019 @02:14PM
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Agree about the executives but if the shareholders and employees feel enough pain they may actually do something. Right now the "punishment" doesn't cause anybody enough pain.
Re:How Apple, Google, and other tech companies conspired aga...
by yardie on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @08:52AM
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Shareholder pain will be slightly lower dividend or stock price. Employee pain will be unemployment. And I think that is what drives most of these low level fines. Regulators recognize the company wouldn't suffer in the short term from large fines.
Re:How Apple, Google, and other tech companies conspired aga...
by maxxxxx on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @10:34AM
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I guess the fines will have to be much higher so the dividend is not just slightly lower. If employees knew their job is at stake they may also be less wiling to play along. I work in medical and we sometimes get pressure to cut corners but employees know that the FDA may shut down the whole thing so they refuse.
Re:How Apple, Google, and other tech companies conspired aga...
by mywittyname on Monday April 15, 2019 @02:44PM
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Shareholder can, and do, sue for damages from fines as the result of poor decisions by executives and the board.
Re:How Apple, Google, and other tech companies conspired aga...
by ghettoimp on Monday April 15, 2019 @03:00PM
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Interesting -- are there some good examples of that happening?
Re:How Apple, Google, and other tech companies conspired aga...
by icebraining on Monday April 15, 2019 @03:09PM
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The board of Google (that is, Alphabet) is currently being sued by shareholders: https://venturebeat.com/2019/01/11/shareholders-sue-alphabet...
Re:How Apple, Google, and other tech companies conspired aga...
by turc1656 on Monday April 15, 2019 @01:13PM
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Oh I definitely agree. Both should ideally be charged because these people were acting on behalf of the company and were in management positions, which makes the company legally liable for their actions.
But if I only get to choose one to charge, I go the individual route any day of the week because it reduces/removes the moral hazard of getting to shift your criminal activity to an intangible, legal entity like a corporation. Sure, you'd never get the $435M settlement from these people, but once everyone knows the government is coming after them personally, I would bet my last dollar that this type of crap virtually never happens again.
Re:How Apple, Google, and other tech companies conspired aga...
by citizenkeen on Monday April 15, 2019 @01:13PM
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But that's half the problem - we never do. These kind of criminal charges result in a few million dollars worth of fines. It's never enough to really hurt a company the way that losing one year in jail hurts a person.
But bringing charges against a company is important. Boards of directors are supposed to, well, direct the executives, not look the other way while they break the law and abuse their employees.
The way to encourage this is to hit the company, hard, right in the wallet.