Re:MIT Researcher Exposing Bias in Facial Recognition Tech T...
by bko on Monday April 15, 2019 @05:53AM
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> * having judges that live within a changing society is what allows laws to be changed in accordance to what the state of public debate is at a given time
I agree that the system needs to have a feedback loop and the law should evolve over time. But IMO there are better ways to achieve that than introduce a biased decision maker. You can rely more greatly on legislation or bring in some evolving value system into your model.
> * it is harder to manipulate all judges in the land than changing one algorithm or its goals. The distribution and fragmentation of power is a feature and not a bug. It makes some things weird and others slow, but ultimately it helps making a dictator take over hard.
Fragmentation of power is generally a good thing. But the idea of having many judges as fragmentation of power is not actually fragmented. It would be fragmented if they all heard your case and sentenced you accordingly with some aggregation method. Or if they have a small jurisdiction. But in many cases, one judge (e.g. your sentencing judge), has all the power (ignoring appeals).
Let's assume I wanted to influence a sentencing judge. I could learn his biases. I could hire a lawyer with a good relationship with the judge. I could give him some financial incentive (e.g. kick backs from a private prison or campaign donations). I could manipulate jury selection using racial biases. I could look at the statistical properties of sentencing during different parts of the day and try to manipulate that. Less common in the US, but I could intimidate or threaten the judge.
How would that play out if it was an algorithm? I could hack into the administrating body and somehow retrain the algorithm? I could try to subvert some data scientist working on the algorithms and have them introduce slight biases into the algorithm that would eventually favor me?
I'd take my chances with the human judge. And that may be a good thing, but I don't think humans are harder to manipulate than algorithms.
> And it needs to be able to factor in circumstance in order to stay humane.
Again, I think it's a lot easier to tell an algorithm consider these new factors with the explicit goal of increase/decreasing X.
I agree that the system needs to have a feedback loop and the law should evolve over time. But IMO there are better ways to achieve that than introduce a biased decision maker. You can rely more greatly on legislation or bring in some evolving value system into your model.
> * it is harder to manipulate all judges in the land than changing one algorithm or its goals. The distribution and fragmentation of power is a feature and not a bug. It makes some things weird and others slow, but ultimately it helps making a dictator take over hard.
Fragmentation of power is generally a good thing. But the idea of having many judges as fragmentation of power is not actually fragmented. It would be fragmented if they all heard your case and sentenced you accordingly with some aggregation method. Or if they have a small jurisdiction. But in many cases, one judge (e.g. your sentencing judge), has all the power (ignoring appeals).
Let's assume I wanted to influence a sentencing judge. I could learn his biases. I could hire a lawyer with a good relationship with the judge. I could give him some financial incentive (e.g. kick backs from a private prison or campaign donations). I could manipulate jury selection using racial biases. I could look at the statistical properties of sentencing during different parts of the day and try to manipulate that. Less common in the US, but I could intimidate or threaten the judge.
How would that play out if it was an algorithm? I could hack into the administrating body and somehow retrain the algorithm? I could try to subvert some data scientist working on the algorithms and have them introduce slight biases into the algorithm that would eventually favor me?
I'd take my chances with the human judge. And that may be a good thing, but I don't think humans are harder to manipulate than algorithms.
> And it needs to be able to factor in circumstance in order to stay humane.
Again, I think it's a lot easier to tell an algorithm consider these new factors with the explicit goal of increase/decreasing X.