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Re:Canada’s legal pot is going well by DanBC on Saturday April 13, 2019 @02:57AM (#19651479)
> One of the rare people

We have no idea of the prevalance of this kind of person. There's no research.

(I am in favour of legalisation.)

Re:Canada’s legal pot is going well by tluyben2 on Saturday April 13, 2019 @04:36AM (#19651794)
I wonder how much data there is from countries where it has been legal for a long time, like the Netherlands. When I grew up it was as normal as normal smoking and drinking. Mushrooms were(and are, but they banned some of them I think) also legal but that was not very normal to use, at least not in my circles. All my friends and many of their parents smoked a spliff or 2 in the weekend. Same as they drank some beers. But only the illegal stuff (at that time xtc, speed, heroine and cocaine) was used to excesses that caused issues. I don't think they ever legalized those, but non-dealers were not arrested and the police checked the quality of drugs at parties to filter out bad stuff; when that started happening, the abuse went down too. My crazy house friends (usually converts from metal to house at the beginning of the 90s) went from dangerous abuse to more controlled and moderate use now that it was 'normal'.

So yes, that's all anecdotal, but at least in my circles I have seen over the past 30 years that (semi)legalizing indeed helps a lot; because there is a 40-50 year trackrecord in countries like NL, there must be someone who researched it and has data about the actual effects of legalization and 'gedoog' (semi-legalization) strategies?

Re:Canada’s legal pot is going well by piva00 on Saturday April 13, 2019 @07:04AM (#19652255)
Toleration/decriminalisation and harm reduction policies are really important, to give you a parallel: look here at Sweden [0] that despite being really socially progressive in regards to gender and social equality still has some of the most strict drug policies in the developed world. It's not only illegal to trade drugs but also to consume them, if you are caught, for example, during a raid on a rave by the police and they test you for drugs you will get fined and can go to court for it (being imprisoned isn't happening though). You will still have a record for about 5 years even though you had no drugs in your possession. Also, needle exchange programs are fucked up as there is not national policy, it's left to the kommuner and so these programs vary wildly between cities, addicts die because of this paralysis of the system.

Portugal is the most common example of how harm reduction policies help to decrease mortality and usage, a better informed population where drugs aren't taboo makes their usage be lower and more responsible.

I have some Dutch friends, most don't really smoke weed as often, usually on a special occasion. Harder drugs usage is also more responsible, most of them test their drugs before consuming, don't overdo it. Openness and information invites responsibility.

[0] https://i.imgur.com/bqfprnj.png

Re:Canada’s legal pot is going well by the-dude on Saturday April 13, 2019 @04:44AM (#19651827)
May I suggest 'non-enforcement' as a better translation of 'gedogen'?
Re:Canada’s legal pot is going well by dmurray on Saturday April 13, 2019 @05:44AM (#19651997)
"Decriminalisation" is the usual term in English for the Netherlands legal policy on cannabis.
Re:Canada’s legal pot is going well by _0ffh on Saturday April 13, 2019 @05:36AM (#19651972)
Maybe "tolerated", that's what the analouge Word in German means.
Re:Canada’s legal pot is going well by DKnoll on Saturday April 13, 2019 @03:09AM (#19651505)
It's honestly hard to believe there were people who didn't smoke simply because it was illegal, even though getting charged for personal amounts of cannabis in the GTA was about as common as being struck by lightning.

That said I applaud them. That's a very respectable level of restraint and community-mindedness (I swear that's a word).

Re:Canada’s legal pot is going well by dagw on Saturday April 13, 2019 @06:02AM (#19652045)
It's honestly hard to believe there were people who didn't smoke simply because it was illegal

That was me. Although not because I was afraid of getting caught, but simply because the effort and logistics of attempting to get ahold of a consistent supply of quality weed without getting ripped off was not worth it.

Re:Canada’s legal pot is going well by sjwright on Saturday April 13, 2019 @03:22AM (#19651548)
The statistical reality isn’t operational for many people. Many people would not want to even begin to look for an underground supplier let alone deal with one.

(I am in favour of legalisation.)

Re:Canada’s legal pot is going well by DKnoll on Saturday April 13, 2019 @03:52AM (#19651654)
I see you appreciate the weasel word 'many' as much as I do. It's very handy to avoid having to cite every statement (lol).

You're totally right that those people exist and there are 'many' of them. I'm going off conversations that have occurred and caused certain cities, especially in the Peel and Halton regions, to ban stores.

Honestly the real number of people who feel a type of way about legalisation doesn't even matter that much, especially when decisions like this are up to already elected representatives and not handled by referendum. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, and this is a fundamental issue with the implementation of democracy in the west. For issues that most people don't consider a hill to die on (or, at least, both sides) elected representatives don't end up voting in line with actual public opinion. A prime example of this fact is that legalization only happened in 2018 and not 20 years earlier.

Re:Canada’s legal pot is going well by kzcqt on Saturday April 13, 2019 @05:16AM (#19651924)
I would've liked to try some drugs, weed included, but I haven't because I don't have contacts and I don't want to deal with some lowlife who will probably scam me. If they made weed legal I would probably give it a spin, and maybe even get hooked, much to my own loss since I, as many other people, lack self-control.

(I am against legalisation; I don't live in Canada.)

Re:Canada’s legal pot is going well by ZeroFries on Saturday April 13, 2019 @11:25AM (#19653513)
Would you also vote to ban fast food, video games, social media, and Netflix?
Re:Canada’s legal pot is going well by whenchamenia on Saturday April 13, 2019 @11:14AM (#19653449)
Your lack of self control should never usurp my freedom.
Re:Canada’s legal pot is going well by red75prime on Saturday April 13, 2019 @07:05AM (#19652259)
> It's honestly hard to believe there were people who didn't smoke simply because it was illegal

For me it is completely easy to believe. Cannabis is not addictive enough for me to go to the trouble of getting it illegally.

Re:Canada’s legal pot is going well by DanBC on Saturday April 13, 2019 @04:30AM (#19651765)
> It's honestly hard to believe there were people who didn't smoke simply because it was illegal

Yep, I agree.

But we need to talk not just about what happens today, but what happens in the future. If cannabis is normalised and legally available will that increase the use of cannabis?

Re:Canada’s legal pot is going well by DKnoll on Saturday April 13, 2019 @04:46AM (#19651835)
>If cannabis is normalised and legally available will that increase the use of cannabis?

I think use of cannabis will increase in Canada after legalisation and I doubt anybody will disagree or project a decrease. I think a bigger question is whether public opinion will continue to trend favourably in light of current medical knowledge which seems to think that cannabis causes less harm than alcohol thus making it a better way to waste time and/or ease general existential angst on the weekends.

While I don't think more people getting stoned is necessarily 'win' for Canadian society, I think if it diverts them from other more harmful forms of impairment (alcohol or 'hard' drugs) it probably is.