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Re:Great developers are raised, not hired by rb808 on Friday April 12, 2019 @01:19PM (#19646910)
I'd love to give everyone around me huge pay rises each year and only work on really fun new projects but unfortunately the boss doesn't agree. :)
Re:Great developers are raised, not hired by chrisseaton on Friday April 12, 2019 @01:21PM (#19646928)
Right but you're already paying out the money it sounds like, in terms of burnout and churn in employees. 20% could be cheaper.

And I guess people are grateful for training, but not if they're effectively paying 17% of their pay for that training indefinitely. They'd be idiots to take that deal.

Re:Great developers are raised, not hired by rhizome on Friday April 12, 2019 @01:41PM (#19647150)
Can't afford a good raise, but can afford to spend 60% of their time interviewing people every 6mos. Does anybody track the lost wages from the hiring process as a cost of employee churn?
Re:Great developers are raised, not hired by vonmoltke on Friday April 12, 2019 @01:44PM (#19647172)
Don't forget "can afford to pay replacements 20% more after people quit".
Re:Great developers are raised, not hired by cookiecaper on Friday April 12, 2019 @01:43PM (#19647166)
You should be following their lead. There is no reason to expect mentees to stick around for a long time if they can go command a meaningful salary and quality-of-life bump somewhere else.

I understand the psychology around not putting more resources into your existing staff -- it's basically "why buy the cow when you're getting the milk for free?" -- but as long as this "5% per year is a great raise!" crap is going around, no one a) upper-mid-level or lower; with b) market value; and c) corresponding self-esteem; is going to stay in a specific job more than 2-3 years. There's no reason to expect anything else. If this is going to change, companies are going to have to start working hard to curb the "impulse buy" psychology at work in racing to get $BUZZWORDY_CANDIDATE_X.

Despite this, there is great personal value in mentoring people. You learn a lot and establish a supportive substructure within the community. It's better to have your mentees move around. That way, they can throw you an escape line if you need it.

People who stay at one company for too long end up with a rusty skillset and a heavily distorted perspective on how things operate. Companies may not notice it, but their cheapness is probably a much better thing for the goose than it is for the gander. Circulation is healthy.

Re:Great developers are raised, not hired by freyir on Friday April 12, 2019 @05:24PM (#19649155)
Sounds like you’re managing to get the work done, even with the constant churn. If you can make it work, why should the boss pay your mentees more? May be time to look at other options yourself.